Content deleted Content added
SMcCandlish (talk | contribs) →Comment referring to chicken: We've been over this already, and here's the sourcing to prove the point. |
|||
Line 272:
::WP:Natural expires when the [[WP:PRECISION]] criterion is not good enough. The natural disambiguation is one of three methods employed to avoid using an ambiguous title.
::* A result of the unreferenced, undiscussed mass-moves from [[BuZZ (chicken)]] to [[BuZZ chicken]] many titles are violating [[WP:PRECISION]], now. --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 08:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
:::The sources don't lie: Google: {{tq|"Sebright chicken" -Wikipedia}}[//www.google.com/search?q="Sebright+chicken"+-Wikipedia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8]. Everyone, everywhere, all the time disambiguates breed names by appending the species (e.g. "chicken") or a synonym of it (e.g. "fowl") after the breed name whenever writing or speaking about a breed to people who are not necessarily going to be certain what they're referring to. This is universal, across all domestic animals, in English and I'd bet good money most other languages. [[WP:PRECISION]] is perfectly satisfied by this natural disambiguation. We've already been over this, and I've demonstrated this many times. You're confusing the idea "someone familiar with the subject would never use it in a context in which what they meant was already clear, e.g. in a chicken-related publication or forum" with the very different and easily, already disproven idea "someone familiar with the subject would never use it in any context, ever". And again, no one is making the case that the formal breed name include the species; that would be Sebright Chicken. No one's making thta claim about any breeds of any kind except those where the inclusion of the species in the breed name is reliably sourced as essentially universal (e.g. [[American Quarter Horse]], [[Norwegian Forest Cat]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 10:23, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
::* ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATeeswater_sheep&diff=627123893&oldid=627123478 To get back to bantam breeds, are there any that are not bantam variants of larger breeds?]'' – Yes, there are. I pointed you multiple times to the [[Sebright (chicken)]]. There are others as well. There is also large fowl without a corresponding bantam breed.
::* ''"Something chickens"'': SMcCandlish, you moved them all from "Something (chicken)" to "Something chicken", without any expertise. It is common, that, if there is a corresponding bantam breed to large fowl, it is mentioned within the article of the large fowl breed. The bantam breed title redirects there. In most of these cases it is not desirable to have a separate article on the bantam. That is, how writing poultry-articles works, it serves the reader and leads to a better quality of the articles. You don't have to rewrite the informations, that are relevant for both breeds. Those informations, that are interesting for readers not familiar with chicken. --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 08:28, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
:::* {{u|SMcCandlish}}; [[Bantam_(poultry)#True_bantams]]. [[User:JTdale|<font color="maroon">'''JTdale'''</font>]] [[User talk:JTdale|<sup><font color="green">'''Talk'''</font></sup>]] 10:01, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
::::* Okay, then clearly we need "Foo Bantam" for any breed where there is only a bantam form, or for which there are larger one as well but the bantam form has its own article. I agree that it's generally not desirable to have separate articles in the latter cases, but this is not a merge proosal. This doesn't affect the naming discussion otherwise. If "Foo" is a classified as a breed, with two forms, do "Foo chicken" (natural disambiguation). If they're treated as separate breeds but we want to cover them both in one article, "Foo chickens". This is not rocket science. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 10:23, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
====Comment refering to [[:Category:Turkey breeds|turkey breeds]]====
| |||