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Freemason?

The Greek Freemasons claim that Meletius was a member.^[1]^[2] which seems to be forbidden by the Orthodox Church.^[3] Can we find better sources for or against this claim? Daask (talk) 17:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΕΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΟΤΕΚΤΟΝΕΣ (in Greek). Grand Lodge of Greece. Archived from the original on 10 February 2009. Retrieved 16 February 2010. Contains the name of the Patriarch in question Meletios Metaxakis, "Alexandrian and Ecumenical Patriarch," listed on its website.
^ "Meletios Metaxakis".
^ "Freemasonry: Official Statement of the Church of Greece (1933)".

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None of the other Wikipedias refer to him as "Meletius III, IV and II Metaxakis". They either call him Meletius Metaxakis or Meletius IV. The phrasing is cumbersome, and he was never known by this combined title during his lifetime, nor is he referred to this way in any of our sources.Jpbrenna (talk) 13:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 August 2021

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Meletius III, IV and II Metaxakis → Meletius Metaxakis – Wikipedias in other langauges title the article Meletius Metaxakis or Meletius IV from his time as Ecumenical Patriarch, which is equal but primus inter pares to the other orthodox sees, including the other ones that he occupied. The sources either refer to him this way, or they refer to him by the full title when discussing his tenure in each of the sees that he occupied. None of them refer to him by this combined regnal number system, leaving out the names of the sees occupied, while adding in his secular name. This seems to be a creation of the user who moved the page, and while his other edits were helpful, this one is not. Unfortunately, I am not able to revert this without destroying the good edits, and I was unable to move the page to the shortest and most neutral descriptor, because it already exists, with multiple redirects here. Jpbrenna (talk) 14:25, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ΕΠΙΦΑΝΕΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΟΤΕΚΤΟΝΕΣ (in Greek). Grand Lodge of Greece. Archived from the original on 10 February 2009. Retrieved 16 February 2010. Contains the name of the Patriarch in question Meletios Metaxakis, "Alexandrian and Ecumenical Patriarch," listed on its website.

[2] "Meletios Metaxakis".

[3] "Freemasonry: Official Statement of the Church of Greece (1933)".

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 The Greek Freemasons claim that Meletius was a member.<ref>{{cite web |url= http://www.grandlodge.gr/Famous_gr_home.html |script-title= el:ΕΠΙΦΑΝΕΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΟΤΕΚΤΟΝΕΣ |language= Greek |publisher= Grand Lodge of Greece |accessdate= 16 February 2010 |url-status= dead |archiveurl= https://web.archive.org/web/20090210033247/http://grandlodge.gr/Famous_gr_home.html |archivedate= 10 February 2009}} Contains the name of the Patriarch in question Meletios Metaxakis, "Alexandrian and Ecumenical Patriarch," listed on its website.</ref><ref>{{cite web |url= http://orthodoxwiki.org/Meletios_IV_%28Metaxakis%29_of_Constantinople |title= Meletios Metaxakis}}</ref> which seems to be forbidden by the Orthodox Church.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/masonry.aspx |title= Freemasonry: Official Statement of the Church of Greece (1933)}}</ref> Can we find better sources for or against this claim? [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 17:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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 == Page Move ==
 None of the other Wikipedias refer to him as "Meletius III, IV and II Metaxakis". They either call him Meletius Metaxakis or Meletius IV. The phrasing is cumbersome, and he was never known by this combined title during his lifetime, nor is he referred to this way in any of our sources.[[User:Jpbrenna|Jpbrenna]] ([[User talk:Jpbrenna|talk]]) 13:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC)