Talk:Bugatti Veyron/Archive 2

Improving this article

I have made a temporary subpage in my user page to act as a “frame” to build up a rewritten version of this article. I have started with creating a well made outline for everyone to follow. Add in or change anything you like, but please note all edits, however minor they may be. This is so that a better version (cleaned up) may be made without disrupting the current one. —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 23:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Second fastest now!

For crying outloud, can these Bugatti fanboys get along with the facts and stop reverting important edits? *NEWSFLASH* SSC Ultimate Aero's tests results were confirmed by Guinness World Records on Oct 9th 2007. SSC Ultimate Aero TT is now the fastest car on the planet with a speed of 411.707 kmh and ~1183 horse power. Bugatti is currently second fastest with ~408.4 kmh and 1001 horse power.

You're gonna need to cite it to say it... Gscshoyru 12:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Veyron fanboys are annoying, ignorant little things aren't they? 70.112.86.215 02:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

lol, finally thanks putting up the facts and keeping them there, some people are too in love with this car to listen to any right or reason! (Wiki332) —Preceding comment was added at 13:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

yes, Tomthehand was the worst, this fanboy was straight in denial and kept on changing the article despite indisputable facts. I blame him the most for doing his best at keeping Wikipedia inaccurate. It's unbelieveable that someone would purposely make Wikipedia factually incorrect, especially in light of being presented with evidence which was done despite not necessary to satisfy 1 volunteer editor, and he kept on rejecting the facts because he did not want to believe his beloved Bugatti Veyron was no longer the fastest street-legal car in the world. Can you believe that?! What's he going to do next? Because he supports Ferrari, he's going to change the results of the F1 Championship?! This guy is dangerous. He's like power-tripping because he's a volunteer or something, and that he somehow is this "lord" over Wiki and what are facts and real, and he alone sets the standard for burder of proof. It's absolutely disgusting and these uneducated, unintelligent vandals like Tomthehand need to be kicked off Wikipedia ASAP! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.73.56.163 (talk) 16:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Technically, the Veyron was never the fastest,a s it still doesn't have an "official" top speed. However, the source does say that Guinness regards it as the world's fastest production car. Good enough for me to feel that we should keep it part of the article. —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 00:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't get too smug, or you run the risk of sounding just like those you criticize. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.61.189.14 (talk) 20:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

There were already faster cars than the Veyron and probably even the SSC. It doesn't count for anything until there is a production number of 300 or so in development. "PRODUCTION" is the jey word when describing the Veyron which is why its still top dog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.68.161.58 (talk) 02:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah actually there were a number of keywords that I forgot to mention while posting. Of course 'production' makes it important. Because there's the Thrust SSC with 750+ MPH :D and by 'Bugatti' I meant 'Bugatti Veyron 16.4'

I agree with the guy above me

As he said, There were cars faster than the Veryon before but they arent full production cars. Production is the key word.

Hey I didnt mean to change the Veyron wiki on anyone. I know alot about cars , And I am aware of the SSC Ultimate Aero TT, I do know it is the fastest car in the world. But being that only 25 Aero TT are ever going to be made, I dont think it can be called the "Fastest Full Production Car" Also the Veyron page says its the "second fastest, most powerful, and most expensive street-legal full production car" The SSC Aero is going to cost over $650,500 which makes the Veryon still the most expensive car.

It will now read " The Bugatti Veryon is the " Second fastest car in the world" But is the Fastest, most powerful, and most expensive street-legal full production car" I am also adding a small article about the Aero on the page.

If anyone has a problem with this, please let me know before you edit it, and we can work out what we both think it should say. Thanks Nate 687 01:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

This doesn't really make sense. If the SSC Aero isn't a production car yet then how is the Veyron the second fastest production car in the world? The Veyron in't even close to being second fastest if we count non production race and tuner cars. So it should read fastest most powerful and most expensive street-legal production car. --Daniel J. Leivick 22:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you Daniel but this is what these guys think it should say.

This is the way I ended up editing it, as I said before if you have a problem with it let me know before you go and edit it. I think the way it is now is acceptable for everyone. Nate 687 01:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The Bugatti Veyron 16.4 is currently the second fastest, most powerful, street-legal car in the world. Though it still is the fastest, most powerful, most expensive street-legal full production car made. with in excess of 1001 horsepower, in either the metric or SAE scale (see below), with its top speed of 253 mph having been eclisped by the SSC Ultimate Aero TT, which posted the “Fastest Car” world record of 256.19 mph on September 13, 2007, as verified by Guinness World Records on October 9, 2007. [4]. The Bugatti Veyron reached full production in September 2005. The car is built by Volkswagen AG subsidiary Bugatti Automobiles SAS in its Molsheim (Alsace, France) factory and is sold under the French Bugatti marque. It is named after French racing driver Pierre Veyron, who won the 24 hours of Le Mans in 1939 while racing for the original Bugatti firm.

We seriously don't need all that cruft at the beginning of the lead section! Just put it in another paragraph, but keep the first one short and to the point. -- intgr [talk] 00:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I just cleaned up your edit to show the underlying message more clearer (got rid of a few run on sentences etc.) Hope you don't mind :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.178.225 (talk) 00:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah its fine with me now. I dont mind at all if you cleaned up what I already put.

I hope everyone can now agree with what the Bugatti Veyron wiki says. Nate 687 01:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Please don't edit or change other people's comments. And can we all sign our comments and indent? I feel that this discussion can be laid to rest. There is no denying that the Veyron is officially the fast street legal production car in the world. —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 02:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

In conclusion we agree that it's pricier than and beats every other 'full production' car ;) And yeah I think we've come to a consensus over this.

Someone has changed the site again after a consensus was reached. If any change should be made, it should clarify that the Veyron is still the quickest car, with its' 0-100 kph and 0-150 kph times being considerably faster than the Aero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.61.189.14 (talk) 16:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Number to be produced

Does anyone have a reliable source that proves that Bugatti plans to produce 300 Veyrons? —Mr Grim Reaper (talk • contribs • email), 23:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

5,000,000 pound supercar?

Where did this come from?

Each Veyron is being sold for £5,000,000 (net pay, without taxes), prices vary by exchange rates and local taxes (like value added taxes). As Bugatti, and therefore Volkswagen, are making such a loss, it has been likened by automotive journalist Jeremy Clarkson and his Top Gear programme team in their story on it to the Concorde, in that both were huge achievements, but the car will probably, like the plane before it, be discontinued after proving to be an economic failure.

I don't have much experience with wikipedia, but can someone fix this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.160.161 (talk) 17:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

fixed. the net pay for 1 veyron is 1.1 million €. period. anything else varies by current exchange rates and local taxes. also this whole top-gear-investigation about the production costs and the win/loss calculation needs to be sourced properly or deleted.--BSI 13:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Although it wasn't stated explicitly, I believe the £5m figure was reached by taking the entire cost to VW since taking over Bugatti and dividing it by the number of Veyrons that are to be produced. Since VW has written off the development costs of the car (allowing them to claim that Bugatti is now profitable. Ha!) it's a rather meaningless figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.1.35 (talk) 09:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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Djcater 02:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Unneccesary?

"This speed and power was very close to the SSC Ultimate Aero TT, which claimed the “Fastest Production Car” world record with a top speed of 257.45 mph and an average speed of 256.19 mph on September 13 2007, later verified by Guinness World Records on October 9, 2007.[1] The Bugatti Veyron reached full production in September 2005.Even though Veyron might not be the fastest, it is still your "average" car compared to its design, speed(power), and price. "

Does this read strangely to anyone else? It kinda seems unnecessary to say that they came close to the Aero, I would think it would be easier just to mention in passing that the Aero was the car the beat it and then maybe link to the Aero article. I notice that nowhere in the CCR article does it say "The CCR was almost as fast as the Bugatti Veyron, the car the beat it."

Also the "Not your average car" part seems extremely unnecessary. The first sentence is "The Bugatti Veyron 16.4 was the fastest and most powerful street-legal production car in the world between October 2005 to September 2007." so I think it's safe to assume that they realize it isn't an average car.--Stealthsloth22 22:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

False lawsuit!

Keith Wood, a rabbit enthusiast from South Western Germany, has challenged Bugatti with the supposed use of rabbit hearts as a fuel additive. There is a 4.6 Million Euro lawsuit pending responses by Keith's father. Keith is extremely unorthadox and has resorted to recruiting an entire legal team which includes 3 minors and his eldest pet Rabbit. This Rabbit makes all the legal decisions for his counsel; the rabbit's language is deciphered by his eating habbits and eye contact.

This appears to be false. I have searched the internet for this, couldn't find anything. It was added yesterday at the middle of the night. I'm going to delete this, as it is most likely fraud. If someone finds evidence that it is true, they can add it back.

Dnlkk94 (talk) 05:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I would had purged it immediately as this is nothing but nonsense dressed as vandalism. Willirennen (talk) 22:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Just wanted to post here though, to let everyone know. Hopefully, whoever did this won't try it again. "Rabbit hearts as a fuel additive?" Psh. Dnlkk94 (talk) 01:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Fanboys at it again

After much debate had above and even reaching a consensus, vandals have reverted all edits back to making the article state that Bugatti is the "Fastest and most powerful" street-legal production car, numerous times. For crying out loud... Wikipedia is not your thoughts' sandbox. It's a place to state facts. Stop ruining it because you're in love with the car. Grow UP!!! I also added a citation right in front of second most powerful and second fastest so that anyone in the dark can be enlightened to this fact.