Template talk:Soul series

Past Subject

Ok, that's it! This is being ridiculous!

First was adding Assassin and Berseker as main characters, which I deleted, and then someone returned them. So, in order to make an arragement, I putted them in "Other Characters", althought I'm still unsure about leaving them or not since those profile are almost empty, specially Assassin's, and they have alredy some information in "Minor Character" section.

Not to mention the adding of a non-existing link to a movie of Soul Calibur of which there is still no hint at all, which I had to delete twice, and shall not allow it unless there IS a page about the movie with proper information.

Futhersome, a list of Bonus Characters had been added, which I think is good, as long as the one who made it is planing to make pages about them, cuz if not, that list shall be deleted and left to the "Chronicles of the Sword Characters" Characters section.

Now, this list about the Bonus' Characters Weapons is something I'm not allowing, since this is not the section to add it. If someone wants to give information about them, it will have to be directly related to the characters.

That's all I'm saying, and I expect this Template to stay as it must. (Alexlayer 14:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

Present Subject: Exaggerated

Ok, this is turning into a serious trouble. First it was the thing with Assasin and Berserker, which turned into nothing more than a ridiculous fanfiction idea of sort. Right now the articles are established correctly, but as nothing more than stub.

But now there is a list of the non-combatant characters in the Template, which, even if them are well done, it's the same as with Assasin, Berserker or the recently added Lizardmen: They can't be more than stubs.

To make these articles individually seems absurd, since there is an article about all the minor characters in which there it is said all that there is to say about those characters.

For that, I propose that the articles of Assassin, Berserker and Lizardmen, along with all the Non-Combatant list, shall be deleted, and unless someone gives me a good reason for not doing so in the next days, I shall delete them for good. (Alexlayer 06:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC))

I agree that they should be deleted, but we should wait until the articles themselves get deleted first. DynamoDT

Very well, that's fine for me, the end of the month shall be the ultimatum. (Alexlayer 15:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC))

I think you should probably say which pages you want deleted in the discussion section of those articles. I don't think the article creator is getting the message across.DynamoDT

You're right. Well, the ones I think that should be deleted are: Assassin, Berserker, Lizardman (Generic), Rothion, Xianglian, Vercci, Kunpaetku, Bangoo, Gel-o-Fury, Toki, Ares, Chie, The King, Kyam, Philip de Leon, Meimei, Kong, Hephaestus and Frederick. Since all that there is to say about these characters it's alredy said in the Minor Characters Article.

If someone has any objection with the deletion of one or more of these, please talk as soon as possible (Alexlayer 16:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC))

No objection, and the stubs weren't upgraded. I'm cleaning up this Template. If someone is going to add something to it, make sure that it won't be about a stub. (Alexlayer 16:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC))

New format for characters in a series.

A better format is to list all characters as per introduced in each installment. It is more comprehensive and gives a clear picture about who are the veterans and who are newer characters. Not all characters need to be given as links. Its better than some randomly chosen characters in the list. This format can be carried over to other series like dead or alive tekken etc. For someone who has never played the series before it gives a good chance to get familiar. 65.218.181.189 (talk) 05:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

That's generally why the character list is either the first or last link in those regards. Listing every character would become a veritable nightmare in some cases (i.e. King of Fighters, Street Fighter), and with Soulcalibur alone it'd be pretty bad. The template's purpose is strictly as a directory, not to inform the reader "this is who's here". Heck, imagine the Pokemon template with that in mind!

As for ages...that one'd been discussed to death and ends up so relative to the particular material it's screwy. Such details tend to be so heavily malleable and relative to their particular game that they're moot. Case in point: King of Fighters games, where some characters age (Takuma) and others seem stuck repeating high school indefinitely (Athena). Even in articles in tends to be better to not use them because it doesn't describe anything. The only factors that ended up making their way out of the previous discussions on the matter were height and three-sizes, since they readily factored into the character's appearance in regards to other characters.

It'd be much better if we took the articles we had and actively pushed to improve them, and make new articles for any of the characters that get enough reception for notability.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I see your point, let me look at the pokemon, and street figheter. I feel somewhat confident that any series has some common thread which becomes more interesting the more clear it becomes, for which a shortlist like this is very handy.. look at the james bond list, it makes someone who has just been introduced to the series very clear about many details.

For age I agree its a sticky point, but for games like soul calibur they have been pretty cosistent with the ages, and the age in the first introduction game has been their primary age to be considered, for example for fans of soul edge, sophitia would always be 18. No matter if they make her secondary character in SCIII or SCIV or make her 42 year old in SC5. And which age group they belong to gives a lot of insight about which age group they are targeted towards and how their personality is assumed to be. I agree it is not important enough to be displayed in the template but for a novice user just seeing the names it gives a good idea about game as a whole.

I havent played many of the other similar game series like dead or alive, virtua fighter, tekken, street figher, mortal combat etc. but when I would start playing it would be because of my interest in the characters and knowledge of how many different characters are there.

I know wikipedia has some strict policies about what they want to show where, but I guess its primary purpose is more knowledge and not lack of it. For me this template also serves as a shortcut to important information. Think of someone trying to get familiar with TV show friends but for some reason the only characters articals available are Monika, Gunther and Mike and are the only ones listed. How informed you would be after seeing that list? Would you not rather see the names of all 6 listed even if 5 of them are not links.

66.193.79.189 (talk) 05:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

The new format you proposed...I'm not having as much a problem with, though with so many sections having only one character that can get problematic fast. The logic is sound, but at most SC3, 4 and 5 can only have a small fistful of articles maximum, no?

I agree that SC4 had only 3 new characters related to the main story, but SC3 had 8 and SC5 is expected to have at least 7 so there is room to grow for the articles and people would fill them if they see the space, however if they see confusing format they will be discouraged. 66.193.79.189 (talk) 05:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, take a look at "street figheter", "tekken", "dead or alive" (yes, only 3 characters have articles) or "mortal combat etc.". (And welcome to Wikipedia.) --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:37, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing. Actually... NONE of Virtua Fighter characters have an article on Wikipedia. Guess why? --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)