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Lisa Young Quartet

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This quartet appears to be NN -- zero refs, only 1 hit on gnews, zero RS hits on gbooks. Tagged for notability and lack of sources for over a year. Epeefleche (talk) 06:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

* WP:JAZZ notified. AllyD (talk) 08:06, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:51, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The sources I added are not reprinted non-RSs, check the article. Lisa Young is probably not as famous as Ella Fitzgerald, however, she's an awarded artist in her country. The information is verifiable and contributes to our coverage of Australian jazz personalities. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 09:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to your link in your first post, up above. If those are sufficient even though reflected in a non-RS primary source, that would suffice. I'm just not clear. As to the refs in the article, if the award is enough (not sure off-hand), that would be enough to make her notable (though not her band, which is the subject of this article), and I notice that the first and third of the three refs focus on her, and not on the band.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:47, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the The Age articles are verifiable [1][2]—so it only needs for the Pinell review listed to exist and multiple sources is met. The first and third refs have focus on an album (Grace) that was released by The Lisa Young Quartet so i don't see an issue on that point. 86.44.31.213 (talk) 11:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Tx, Mr. Music IP. The first and third refs are not substantially about the quartet, but I guess this is not a terribly important issue as a practical matter -- whether titled as an article on the quartet or an article on her (as Gyrofrog suggests we consider) -- both can be discussed, and the other title re-directed. It would only perhaps become an issue if we were to seek to have 2 articles, one on her and one on the quartet. As to your above comment on the Pinell review, you suggest that "it only needs for the Pinell review listed to exist". Are we comfortable that we have proper support for that? Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously it shouldn't be used until verified, but it seems an unlikely invention and therefore goes towards notability, in my view. I also hold the postion that the award suffices as another source in any case. [3] 86.44.31.213 (talk) 02:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The award is certainly sufficient if the article is re-named to be about her -- from your diff, it appears that she is credited with the award personally (as can be seen from the awards below hers, when a band is the awardee, that is made clear).--Epeefleche (talk) 06:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Again, Grace is an album by The Lisa Young Quartet. http://www.mazar.com.au/images/album/1292-1267.jpg If Lisa Young won an award for an album by The Lisa Young Quartet, it's rather silly to suggest the subject of our article title doesn't gain notability for it. 86.44.31.213 (talk) 14:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm fine w/withdrawing in favor of such a move to Lisa Young (singer), as you suggest and as Gyro suggested we consider. On the basis of the fact that -- for whatever reason -- per the above ref supplied by 86, the award in question was tendered to her, and not to her quartet. I can't explain why that is the case, as similar awards were tendered to bands and groups, as can be seen by the diff ... but I'm hesitant to presume that they really meant to give the award to the quartet and not to her personally, when the RS suggests the opposite. At the same time, I'm happy with a redirect of the trio. And -- should, as 86 says -- we see RS support for the verification of the Pinell article (or a similar article), that would be sufficient IMHO for an article on her as well.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:45, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pinnell [sic] is quoted here and here (only a sentence or so) but this confirms the review's existence independently of Young's site. Sound Vault cites reviews of Grace and have linked it to both Lisa Young and Lisa Young Quartet {see here). There's a gig review here. The quartet and Lisa Young Trio have been played on ABC Radio National's Daily Planet, here.
  • As for the Bell Award to Young only, as its for a Vocal Album and she's the leader and only(?) vocalist (see here) then its possible that it was awarded to her rather than the quartet?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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