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Meetup Invitation

You are invited to the upcoming Asian Pacific American Heritage month edit-athon.

This will be held on the first floor of the Knight library at the University of Oregon.

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• Date: Friday, May 26, 2017
• Time: 12:00 pm – 4:00 pm
• Location: Edminston Classroom, Knight Library, Room 144
• Address:1501 Kincaid Street, Eugene, Oregon, 97403-1299

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Help w/ template

You used black magic to fix Template:Meetups in Portland, Oregon, but I'm still having trouble getting the column widths equal at Template:Prague Castle. Can you tell how to make the "Churches", "Palaces", and "Courtyards" cells the same width? I don't know why I'm struggling with this so much, lol. I'd appreciate some more magic, if you have a moment to cast a spell. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:10, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. On the previous one, you had too many subgroup templates. I consolidated them. On this one, you had three subgroup templates, and you needed only two. I grouped two of them into one. To make the two remaining ones the same, I added |groupwidth= with a reasonably large value so that people with (reasonably) larger fonts would not get wrapping or crowding of the labels. Stop by any time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:56, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I really did try to figure this out on my own. I've worked with much more complicated template, but this had me scratching my head. Thanks again! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

GOCE election time

Thanks again (in advance) for running the barnstar script. To set up the election, should I just copy-paste-tweak Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/2017/1? All the best, Miniapolis 13:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Great minds think alike. I created it yesterday. Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/2017/2. Adjust as needed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:41, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Austria-Hungary

Hello, Jonesey95 - Shouldn't Austria-Hungary be separated by an en-dash?  – Corinne (talk) 01:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I think it most closely resembles the section of MOS:DASH headed "Generally, use a hyphen in compounded proper names of single entities." It's always helpful to look in the talk page or its archive to see if a discussion has resulted in the current article name. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

GOCE May 2017 drive bling

		The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 8,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE May 2017 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 17:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Infobox islands

Something you did at {{Infobox islands}} has caused a number of articles (about 120 so far) to appear in Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags. I know little about templates, but I suspect that this has something to do with the infoboxes' dragging coordinates from Wikidata when the articles already contained {{coord}} elsewhere. I'm an avowed opponent of the indiscriminate importation of Wikidata coordinates into en.wp, so I'll leave you to deal with this matter in whatever way seems best to you. Deor (talk) 16:03, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Deor: I see what is happening, and I will work on fixing it. I thought that I had not changed the logic in the template, but I must be wrong. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:17, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Deor: Fixed, I believe. I restored the undocumented |coordinates_wikidata= parameter and updated the documentation to explain what it does. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I am not a big fan of wikidata either (I find it unnecessarily opaque), but I try to honor the good faith intentions of previous template editors when I am updating and modifying templates. P.S. Excellent diagnosis of the problem, by the way. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the prompt attention. Deor (talk) 17:52, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Infobox coords

Greetings Jonesey95, does this mean that the lat and long are unnecessary? I had a look at the link but it's written for someone far more adept than me. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 08:47, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

We have updated all infoboxes to use |coordinates= with the {{coord}} template instead of using individual lat and long parameters. This means that we no longer need Infobox coord, because it existed only to put lat and long parameters into the {{coord}} template. The new infoboxes are much more consistent and are working well. If you want to read the original RFC, it is at this link. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, will people begin removing the lat long parameters like you did and will it also apply to location maps like the one here [1]? RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 14:32, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Nearly all lat/long parameters have been removed from infoboxes. There are something like 10,000 to 20,000 pages left to update, out of an original list of over 400,000.

The {{Location map}} template is not affected, although it was updated to allow use of |coordinates= with the {{coord}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you.Keith-264 (talk) 18:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Do the contents of a Template:Coord XXXX after the numbers make any difference? Keith-264 (talk) 15:18, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes. See Template:Coord for an explanation of the parameters and what they do. The |display= parameter, for example, controls whether the coordinates display in the "title" (at the upper right corner of the page), "inline" (in the infobox, typically), or both. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:25, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Village pump edit

Hi Jonesey95. I'm just stopping by to let you know that I've undone this edit you made to Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). It looks like the entire page was reverted back to a 2016 version. Mz7 (talk) 14:15, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Yikes! My mistake, I think. I thought I was editing an Archive page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:46, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Australian place

I was wondering, how close are you to converting {{Infobox Australian place}} so that editors have to manually input coordinate strings instead of having the template do it automatically? Is there a timeframe? --AussieLegend (✉) 07:41, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

We have added code to allow editors to stop using the individual latd/longd parameters and to allow the bot to convert articles like Alice Springs to use the new standard. As far as I know, no code has been removed. I put a note on our project page pointing to the text about automatic coordinates. If you have insight or an explanation about how that automation works and how we can avoid breaking it, please drop us a line at Wikipedia talk:Coordinates in infoboxes. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

P.S. I tried removing coordinates from Alice Springs, and I saw no evidence of automation. The map, pushpin, and coordinates simply disappeared. Replacing the individual parameters with {{coord}} preserved the map, pushpin, and coordinates.– Jonesey95 (talk) 12:06, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

The automation comes from using the individual parameters, along with other fields in the infobox, to form the correct coordinate string for each place, rather than having to manually add one, as apparently is the idea now, as well as driving the pushpin map. When I converted the infobox to use {{infobox}} in 2012 I found thousands of articles with improperly formatted coordinate strings, as the result of editors being confused about how to use {{coord}}. Since then the infobox has been modified to cover several different types of places (some non-standard) beyond what it originally did. --12:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Is there something wrong with the example {{coord}} template on the template's documentation page or at Template:Infobox Australian place/Blank? They look good to me. We have converted about 400,000 pages to the standard |coordinates= parameter so far, and we have had very few problems or objections. Before conversion of these 200+ infobox templates, they all used slightly different parameters (see the partial list of examples at the top of the project page). That led to confusion and inconsistency among infoboxes, which led to the August 2016 RfC, which led to the conversion that you are seeing now. I hope that makes sense and that you can understand the big-picture consistency improvements that result from this change.

The reason that I was confused by your reference to automation was that the situation before this conversion was what I would consider the opposite of automation: Editors had to correctly fill in six to ten different parameters correctly in order for the coordinates to render correctly. Now they have to fill in only a few numbers after copying and pasting the example string from the documentation. That seems easier and less error-prone to me, and was one of the reasons for the RfC. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Some sort of glitch in mobile veiw

Hi,
The following are the screenshots of two pages. They are looking normal from desktop, but not from mobile devices (looked at it from iPad, and BlackBerry). Not sure where the problem is. Would you please take a look into that? Thanks a lot.

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  WP:RFR 1
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  WP:RFR 2
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  WP:RFP/NPR

—usernamekiran(talk) 19:11, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Help on an infobox

Hi, Jonesey95... I was wondering if you could help me out at Template:Infobox college baseball team and Template:Infobox college basketball team? I recently added the |athletic_director = parameter to the infoboxes, but it doesn't seem to be optional... How do I make it an optional parameter? See how it is affecting articles such as Central Connecticut Blue Devils baseball and Texas–Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros men's basketball. It doesn't do that on all articles, but it does on some. I'm new at the whole template editing thing and I don't do much with the infoboxes so any help would be great! Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 21:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I've fixed it by adding a | see the diff for details. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, WOSlinker! Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 22:12, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to my helpful talk page stalkers! Contribute any time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride at PNCA: Tuesday, June 27

You are invited to the upcoming Wiki Loves Pride edit-athon, which will be held at the Pacific Northwest College of Art (511 NW Broadway) on Tuesday, June 27, 2017, from 5–8pm. For more information, visit the meetup page or Facebook event page.

Hope to see you there! -MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Deprod: How to Eat to Live

Hello, I have deprodded How to Eat to Live on procedural grounds. It has been discussed at AfD before and thus can't be prodded ever again. If you still wish to pursue deletion, feel free to take it back to AfD. Cheers, —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:25, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't care that much, sorry. AfD nominations are a pain without Twinkle, and Twinkle messes up my top menu too much to have it running all the time. Seven years since the AfD and still it has no sources? I don't see the rationale behind WP policies sometimes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

If you'd like, I can open a nomination on your behalf, with your original prod nomination. Your call. Just make sure to use a {{reply|Kuyabribri}} tag to catch my attention.

For what it's worth the reason for the no prod after AfD policy is that prod is only for uncontroversial deletions that no one would oppose, and the fact that the article was kept at AfD (or had no consensus, in this case) means that deletion was suggested in the past and was opposed in good faith. Thanks. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-28

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You know something

I think your edit summary was impollite. I removed something that appears empty when reading/printing the current version of the page and you added something that potentially ocould help in case the person who adds a ref forgets to add the section. Wy do you have such strong opinion that your edit was "more contructive" than mine? See for example T100741. PS It's a calm question. I hope you don't misread my question. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

If an article has no references, it's better to add a reference than to remove the References section. Edit warring is definitely worse than either of those things. Or, as Template:Unreferenced says: "This article does not cite any sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." My calm opinion only. Others may rightly disagree (except about the edit warring). – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

OK. You have a point. Adding this somewhere in the documentation would lead in more discussions and I don't have the spare time for that at the moment. I am already on vacation on a Greek island :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:54, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Ignoreblank on Infobox video game

Hi Jonesey. We deliberately removed ignoreblank to populate the category, just two weeks back. Empty parameters lead editors who see them to sometimes fill them in. Or sometimes, a valid but empty parameter is misspelled. Would like to make an effort to clean them all up, and have been working on it already. After PrimeBOT completes, the category will be much cleaner, but not all of the past parameters are included in Primebot's run. -- ferret (talk) 21:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed that on the talk page. The module is hardly ever configured that way, so I figured that it was an oversight. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

No problem. I am actively working through it in small batches. Would prefer to get everything cleaned up so we can always see whats going on, where people are making mistakes, etc., and take action (Cleanup, fix, discuss addition of a field, etc) -- ferret (talk) 19:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Nathan Rothschild, 1st Baron Rothschild

Hello, Jonesey95 - What do you think of this edit to Nathan Rothschild, 1st Baron Rothschild? Can the name in the first line in an article be different from the name in the title?  – Corinne (talk) 20:46, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

See Art Garfunkel for another example. And see MOS:FULLNAME for the relevant MOS section. The article's talk page has a seven-year-old proposal to move the page to "Nathaniel", which is the name that many sources use. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Haldighati

Hi, thanks for your ce of Battle of Haldighati the other day. I've expanded the article some more and am more or less done with it. Could you please give it a once-over when you have the time? No pressure. Thanks :)--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 18:45, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Is there no way to get a sub-heading without it cluttering up the TOC?--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 07:42, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

H:LIMITTOC

—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:14, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 14:49, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Cpt.a.haddock: I have completed this copy-edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:40, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much. It reads a lot better now.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 11:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-30

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Category:Pages using reflist with unknown parameters

Is there a way to search for – or gather – a list for pages that have "div col", "colbegin", "refbegin" and other kinds of methods people would use to column-ize the reflist? I've seen pages with this. If not, that's okay, I'm just curious. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 05:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica: You could try entering the following in the search box – insource:"reflist|div col"

There is more info at Help:Searching – Reidgreg (talk) 09:35, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I found 100 articles! --Jennica✿ / ^talk 09:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

A query with hastemplate:div_col hastemplate:reflist will find you 100k articles where both are present. I could think of no way using Special:Search to identify articles where these two templates were adjacent and on separate lines, since I do not think that Special:Search can look over multiple lines (I am perhaps mistaken and would more-than-appreciate knowing how to do that, with regex or otherwise). --Izno (talk) 12:08, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@Izno: I cleaned all the one with the search Reidgreg provided - it did show results where div and reflist were near each other. Not all of them were div cols wrapped in reflist. I resolved all of them so far. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 11:26, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

User page layout

Hi Jonesey,

I really like how you've organized your user page and have used the same layout on mine. It's very simple and organized. Just wanted you to know! Thanks!

David Thibault (talk) 21:26, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

David Thibault: Thanks! You are welcome to copy it. I copied it from someone else years ago. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:25, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! David Thibault (talk) 14:04, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

GOCE July 2017 drive bling

		The Minor Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 3,999 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE July 2017 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 12:13, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Thought you'd be a good guniea pig to award the first barnstar from the drive. Seems to work. Lucky for me, somebody made this easy! – Reidgreg (talk) 12:13, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Reidgreg: Thanks, and thanks for giving out the rest of the barnstars! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:08, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Removal of documentation maintenance template

You have removed {{Improve documentation}} with Special:Diff/794894749/794953128 without improving the documentation. Please create Module:Citation/CS1/Arguments/doc with {{Improve documentation}}. 2001:2003:54FA:D2:0:0:0:1 (talk) 15:54, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

• The template was incorrectly placed on a talk page instead of a template documentation page, so I removed it. You are welcome to create the page in question, improve the documentation of the page, or both. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Sorry for the delayed reply, but there lies the problem.

    The template documentation page currently doesn't exist, and anonymous contributors can't create them without going through Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests (or {{Edit semi-protected}} on the talk page?). The template itself is only editable by administrators, so I cannot use inline {{Documentation}} or I would have to use {{Edit fully-protected}} on the talk page, neither completely satisfactory. Adding {{Documentation}} to the talk page was the easiest of options to do, while I acknowledge it's also not correct.

    Would you please help? 2001:2003:54FA:D2:0:0:0:1 (talk) 15:15, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Blitz template instructions

Thanks for catching and reverting my mistake! (I should have known the asterisk was intentional.) Do you think it would be okay to put that copy&paste text in <pre></pre> markup like the examples before it? – Reidgreg (talk) 21:35, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

That probably makes sense. There should be some markup that makes it more obvious that it is a cut and paste example. Try it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:21, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I Loves Peter Nguyen Van Hung

For other people named Peter Nguyen, see Peter Nguyen.

For other people named Nguyen Van Hung, see Nguyen Van Hung.

Peter Nguyen Van Hung
Peter Nguyen Van Hung in Ketagalan Boulevard on 2015
Born	Nguyễn Văn Hùng (1958-11-21) November 21, 1958 Bình Tuy Province, Vietnam

Father Peter Nguyễn Văn Hùng (chữ Hán: 阮文雄; born November 21, 1958) is a Vietnamese Australian Roman Catholic priest and human rights activist in Taiwan. He was recognised by the United States Department of State as a "hero acting to end modern day slavery".

Early life

Nguyen Van Hung grew up in a lower middle class family outside of Bình Tuy Province in South Vietnam, with two brothers and five sisters; his father was a fisherman, but died after a long battle with illness, forcing his mother, a devout Catholic with roots in the country's north, to become the family's main breadwinner. Nguyen Van Hung himself absorbed his mother's faith and devotion. He was an admirer of Saint Francis of Assisi, and reportedly stole food from his own family to feed to the poor.

He left Vietnam in 1979 on an overcrowded boat; rescued by a Norwegian ship after just 36 hours and taken to Japan, he joined the Missionary Society of St. Columban upon his arrival.

He lived in Japan for three years, studying and taking a variety of jobs to support himself, including as a highway repairman, steel factory worker, and gravedigger. He first came to Taiwan in 1988 as a missionary, after which he went to Sydney, New South Wales, Australia to study at a seminary. He was ordained in 1991 and returned to Taiwan the following year (in 1992).

Work in Taiwan

Nguyen Van Hung established the Vietnamese Migrant Workers and Brides Office in Taoyuan County (now Taoyuan City) in 2004 to offer assistance to Vietnamese immigrants in Taiwan. Vietnamese American radio station Little Saigon Radio and others helped him to rent the second floor of a grammar school; two seventy square foot rooms offer sleeping space, while two others are used for office space. They provide Mandarin classes, room and board, and legal assistance.

Nguyen Van Hung's exposure of abuses against foreign laborers and brides led the United States Department of State to list Taiwan as a "Tier 2" region alongside countries such as Cambodia due to their lack of effort in combating human trafficking, which proved a major international embarrassment for the island's government. His work has also made him the target of intimidation in Taiwan.

See also

• Catholic Church in Vietnam
• Human rights in Vietnam
• Vietnamese democracy movement

External links

• Vietnamese Migrant Workers and Brides Office