User talk:Fry1989

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blason du Cambodge 1979/1989

Bonjour, vous avez réalisé un superbe blason de la Republique du Vietnam , pensez vous que vous pourriez dessiner le blason du Cambodge entre 1979 et 1989 s'il vous plait File:PRK coa.jpg

Merci d'avance bonne soirée --Dunkerqueenflandre (talk) 21:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Please help

Dear Fry,

Don't know what to do with this: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Coat of Arms of Kate Middleton.svg. If my version resembles too closely the original, I could upload a new one with markable differences, I have no problem with that, but would it really just end there? Sodacan (talk) 22:07, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I have viewed the deletion request, and to be honest, it dumbfounds me. Your file is so different from the BBC News source. It appears that the consensus is for it to be kept, so I wouldn't worry about it. However, if Russavia nominates other files of yours, it may mean he misunderstands the deletion and copyright guidelines, and may need some help learning about it. I myself don't know too much, but I know enough to say that your file should be safe from violation, based on the differences between it and your source. Fry1989 (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

The thing is, I usually try not to make files that too closely resembles the source, in order to avoid this type of issue. In this case however I totally forgot in my haste to put a version on Commons. I would be willing to upload an actual derivative with obvious differences of this file, however under the original rationale for deletion this would still not be good enough. Hopefully a compromise could be reached, it would be a shame if Wiki does not have a depiction of the arms for use. Thank you anyways. Sodacan (talk) 22:28, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree it would be a shame. Perhaps if you uploaded over a new version with some other changes, that would satisfy those who fear it's "too close" to the original. Fry1989 (talk) 22:30, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that is probably the best solution, the current file is very difficult to defend. If I upload over it and change some source information, it would certainly take some wind out of his arguments. Thanks! (luckily I just got the alternate versions ready just now) ;) Sodacan (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Done! Thanks for all the advice, hope this will end it now Sodacan (talk) 23:00, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem mate :) have a good one Fry1989 (talk) 23:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: File:ModTarget.png

I agree with your request of deletion. I'm a new user and I uploaded the file just to add it to my signature, because I didn't know how to resize the SVG file I found in Commons. If you can help me in this, I will be grateful. -- QuadropheniaG ^Talk 10:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I have actually already done it for you on the page where you were using the file ModTarget. If you go there, and click "edit", you will see that to resize the SVG file, you add |120px]] in the brackets that show the file. You can use whatever number you want, depending on how big or how small you want it. Fry1989 (talk) 18:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I see. Such an helpful fellow you are. Now my signature is perfect and I learned much about wiki syntax. Thank you very much -- QuadropheniaG ^Talk 16:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

It's no problem mate. I've very happy to help you :) Fry1989 (talk) 16:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Gentlemen are not over! -- QuadropheniaG ^Talk 13:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Please find a place for these

Dear Fry1989,

Please find a home for these, I made them based on this: The Personal Flags for use in Canada for The Prince of Wales and The Duke of Cambridge www.flickr.com. All the best! Sodacan (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

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  Personal Flag of the Prince of Wales for use in Canada
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  Personal Flag of the Duke of Cambridge for use in Canada

Oh WOW, thank you so much for creating these. I wasn't aware there were personal flags for other members of the Canadian Royal Family, but they just created these according to the sources. This is awesome :) Fry1989 (talk) 19:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Yep, hot off the presses apparently. Hopefully, the others will get theirs when they visit again after this. Sodacan (talk) 20:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice. I hope so too, the more the merrier! haha. Fry1989 (talk) 21:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I wish they would have came up with new devices though. I would have replaced the feathers with maple leaves and for William I would have one maple leaf (like the one on the national flag) with his label on it, then crowned with his coronet. Maybe I should make them anyway..... hahahaha, oh well... Sodacan (talk) 21:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I like those ideas, but I don't mind these. I'm just glad we finally have Canadian standards for the Family when they visit us. Uniquely Canadian labels would be cool. Funny story though, my BF is a Republican, and I'm a Monarchist, so we debate this often lol. Anyhow, I jokingly made a Presidential Standard for him, taking the Queen's Standard, removing the crown, and rotating the E become an M, since his name is Matthew. That was fun, haha. Fry1989 (talk) 22:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

True, it is good that they now have a Canadian identity, I just wish it was just more Canadian and more imaginative. Like a beaver or a killer whale- not to have too much of a stereotypical view of your country of course! :P, But I guess that would give me more stuff to do- and I am quite stuffed with requests as it is. Hahaha I wish I could upload all sorts of jokes like this: Beatrice new coat of arms, but even that was completely by mistake! Of all the Realms, Canada seems to be the most loyal, but maybe now there will be a new branch: the Henryites, Long live King Harry of Canada (or Henry V, if you count the French Kings). Sodacan (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Beavers would ROCK! Haha. Yeah, we Canucks are loyal bunch, my BF's an Aussie, so that explains his republicanism hehe. I know you're swamped with requests as you said, but in the future, could you help me out with the labels on the British Royal Standards? I've done as best I can, but they have some issues, the main one being that they're supposed to be perfectly rectangular, but the three bars aren't, and could use a re-doing. Also one of the badges, the Cross of St. George, needs a fix to fit within the bars of the Label on those standards which use it. I really only need to you redesign the 3-point and 5-point label for one standard of each, and I can apply them to all the rest. Fry1989 (talk) 22:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I just tested it out, and I can use the 3-point label you created just for for the Canadian Standards on the UK ones. I would still need your help creating a 5-point label. Let me see how I can work it over the next couple days :) Fry1989 (talk) 23:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem then, I was just going to say I could do them later :) Sodacan (talk) 23:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Great. I just did the 3-point label, using yours for the new Canadian standards, and I'll upload it on all the ones using 3-point today. If you can make a 5-point for the other ones, based on my version of your 3-point label (mine is rectanguler, rather than pyramid shaped), that would be awesome. Some of the badges I will needs your help too. Unfortunately, I'm moving, so I will be on a wiki-break from Thursday the 30th of June to Monday the 4th of July, so you can wait if you like, or do it in between then, and just notify me here, and I'll see it when I get back. Either way is fine :) Fry1989 (talk) 00:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Alrighty. I've uploaded the new 3-point label on all the UK standards that use it, except for File:Royal Standard of Princess Anne.svg and it's Scottish Version. If you would be able to take my new label from File:Royal Standard of Prince William.svg, and apply it to Anne's, and fix the devices that would be great. What I'm trying to go for is the St. George's Cross to fit "exactly" withing the rectangular part of the label. Currently it's shaped weird and unevenly, which you can see when you click on the nodes of the cross. Other than that, if you could just take my new label, and make a 5-point version using it's dimensions, that would be great! You can do it whenever :) Thanks mate Fry1989 (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

No worries, at all. I guess the Aussies have their koalas.... Sodacan (talk) 10:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Problematic prime-minister's standard

Hi! As far as I know, there is no such Standard of the Prime Minister of Bulgaria. I've never seen such a flag on the facade of the Bulgarian Council of Ministers. Moreover, such a flag can not be found on the website of the Bulgarian government. Would you be able to offer any other relevant source for the existence of this standard of the Bulgarian prime minister? To be precise, the flags on the page flagspot.net can not be found in the official Bulgarian sources. As far as I know in Bulgaria there is no such tradition of specific standards of different state institutions. The national flag is used universally. I understand and appreciate your good will in the creation of Bulgarian symbols, but please note that in certain circumstances the result may be inaccurate and misleading. Best regards, Bulgarian Herald (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That is my only source, however that doesn't mean it should be automatically discounted. There have been examples where that site has been right, even when there is no official record, an example of this would be the former presidential standard of &Austria. While the flag no longer is used, and when it was: only at military occasions, not civil, I had another user saying it was fictitious, when we later found out that it does in fact exist, or atleast did. This may be the same. It's possible the Prime Minister's flag of Bulgaria is only used within the military as a rank flag. We will have to contact the Bulgarian Government to find out. Fry1989 (talk) 18:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I hope you will agree that it is hardly logical to create images of official state symbols based on foreign unofficial sources, analogies and assumptions. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 18:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe a site's place of origin is a reason to discount anything, and the site does have many contributers from around the world. As I said, the site has proven itself to be true before. Fry1989 (talk) 18:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I will not have anything against this flag, if someone can prove with official source that it actually exists. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 18:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That may be difficult, but I assure you, if there is an official source, I will find it. Fry1989 (talk) 18:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

This is an excerpt from the Law for the State Seal and National Flag of the Republic of Bulgaria, published on the site of the Bulgarian Parliament:

Art. 16. (1) The national flag of the Republic of Bulgaria shall be constantly hoisted on:

1. the buildings in which the National Assembly, the Presidency, the ministries and the other state establishments, the regional structures of the ministries and the district administrations, the Constitutional court, the judicial power bodies, the National Bank of Bulgaria, the Bulgarian National TV, the Bulgarian National Radio carry out their basic activities, on the buildings of the municipalities, regions and mayoralties, as well as on the state and municipal schools;

2. the entry and exist border and customs check-points;

3. ports, railway stations and airports;

(2) (Amend., SG 69/99) The national flag of the Republic of Bulgaria shall be temporarily hoisted on the buildings where sessions of the National Assembly or sittings of the municipal councils, international conference or sittings, all-national or international sports and other events of national significance are held throughout their duration.

Art. 17. The national flag of the Republic of Bulgaria shall be placed in the front part to the right of the transport vehicles and on the front mast of the navigation vessels when present there are the president of the Republic, the vice-president, the chairman of the National Assembly or the prime minister.

As far as I know, in Bulgaria there are no separate standards for different central institutions. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. However, as mentioned, it may just be a rank flag in the Bulgarian Military. The again, there is the Presidential Standard of Bulgaria, so that is one example of indeed a separate standard for different institutions. I'm not trying to argue against you that the flag may not exist, but we have to find out, and that will take some time. Contacting both the Bulgarian Government, and the Bulgarian Military, are two ways of doing that. Fry1989 (talk) 19:12, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure that such standard of the Bulgarian President exists. Note that the law prescribes the usage of the national flag also by the Bulgarian Presidential institution. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 19:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I will contact the Presidency as well and find out, they have a contact section on the Office's website. Fry1989 (talk) 19:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

What the law is getting at where the flag is displayed at the offices of the President; my country has a separate flag for the President but it is not used anywhere except for ceremonial purposes. Some other places like Russia or Belarus do require the presidential flag flown on the building when he is there. Now if you can tell me the Bulgarian word for standard, I can try and see what could be found. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

The word in Bulgarian is "щандарт", but also the word for usual flag "знаме" is possible. You could see some results in Google here, here, here and here. There are no results, connected with the hypothetical existence of the Bulgarian presidential standard. Best regards, Bulgarian Herald (talk) 08:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

""I swear I saw a pic long ago of the presidential standard, but I can't find it anymore. I know that doesn't count as a "source", but I'm sure of it. We will have to keep hunting. Fry1989 (talk) 06:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Please, don't hunt too long. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 08:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Flags of the Texas Navy

I know you're on vacation, but this can certainly wait. I've created svg images of the signal flags used by the Texas Navy including those identifying the Texas Navy ships Austin, Archer, Zavala, Wharton, San Jacinto, San Antonio and San Bernard. I'd like to have a subcategory set up under Historical Flags of Texas to place these, and will try to do that while you're gone. I'd also like to find a spot on the right side of the Wikipedia page under the picture of the ship to place the flags as well, such as for the Austin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texan_sloop-of-war_Austin.

And this brings me to another point. The flag being used to represent the Texas Navy on these pages is incorrect. Image Texas 2nd Naval Ensign.svg is tagged as the second naval ensign of the Republic of Texas used from 1838 to 1846. However, the last two sentences of this article from the official website of the Texas Navy Association http://www.texasnavy.com/A%20History%20of%20the%20Texas%20Navy%20Flag.pdf states that that version was only created in the past several years and ONLY for ceremonial purposes. It might be necessary to propose re-naming that image. The Wikipedia website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Navy correctly identifies the two flags used during the tenure of the Texas Navy, so there are lots of corrections that need to be done. Can you advise as to how to proceed?

Thanks, and I hope you enjoy your time off.--Glasshouse (talk) 14:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I know you're still getting settled in from being away, but I'm wondering what your thoughts are regarding the Texas Navy flags. Thanks! --Glasshouse (talk) 11:12, 26 August 2011 (UTC) 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I will get to it shortly. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I see what's going on. I'll have to do a little bit more research, but otherwise, it looks like a rename will be in order and some reorganization of the Texan flags. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:18, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Great. Thanks again.--Glasshouse (talk) 00:16, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I finally got around to creating the sub-category in "Historical Texas Flags" for the Flags of the Texas Navy. I’m afraid I need your help in renaming a couple, though. I’d like to rename the following:

Flag 2 rename to "2 Flag"

Flag 3 rename to "3 Flag"

Flag 4 rename to "4 Flag"

I think it will be better to use this naming format because the flags actually represent the numbers “2,” “3” and “4” for signaling purposes, and nomenclature such as “Flag 2” sounds like a generic name for any kind of flag in a sequence. The changes would conform to the other signal flag names as well.

Finally, is there a strategy yet for correcting the image of the Texas Navy flag on the Wikipedia pages as mentioned above?

As always, I appreciate your help.--Glasshouse (talk) 01:24, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Crap! I've screwed up another upload. Chief Engineer Lever Beam.svg should be named "Texas Navy Chief Engineer Insignia" to conform with the other items in the Emblems of the Texas Navy. Also, I had trouble with fonts not showing up again, and a couple of the guys from Village Pump tested a couple of uploads that didn't get deleted. Could you delete Texas Navy Sword Guard courier test.svg and Texas Navy Sword Guard Liberation Serif bold 13 test.svg?

Thanks again. I'm sorry to keep bugging you, and if I need to be going to another source, please let me know.--Glasshouse (talk) 00:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't have the ability to rename files. I've asked for the right, but I have a stubborn admin who has objected, so I doubt if I will get it this round. Though I guess I will ask for it again in a few months. So until then, you will still have to put a rename tag on your files if you uploaded them with the wrong name. Sorry. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I understand completely, and I'll go through the proper channels to get the changes made. Also, though, when you get a chance, there's still the issue of the incorrect flags being depicted for the Texas Navy. Is there a solution to that?--Glasshouse (talk) 01:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi there

Thanks for the advice. I will look requests , but currently I'm working on flags and coats of arms of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia.--Nanin7 (talk) 21:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

File:Naval Ensign of Ukraine.svg

I received a document specifying the specific Pantone colors of the Ukrainian flag. The blue is supposed to be lighter than what we have used in the past. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I see. I wish we could recreate the colours seen in File:Flag of Ukraine.jpg, but as I know, translating from a photo to an SVG is rather difficult. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

And that was done in 3D. The document I have is called "ДСТУ 4512:2006 - Державний прапор України. Загальні технічні умови - вперше." and it is from 2006. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of the Central African Republic (1958-1963).svg

Hello Fry1989, is there an source for your change? -- πϵρήλιο ℗ 21:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I do, but it's hiding from me. In any case, it's a shield of the national flag, the flag doesn't have those borders, neither should the shield. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:21, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

You know a little about heraldry? A coat of arms is not a flag. Colors mostly do not encounter each other without separation (as you can also see in the current coat of arms). But anyway, I went to the only source, thanks you for your attention. -- πϵρήλιο ℗ 21:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Here's the source. I forgot the site was in Dutch and French, so Republic comes first, I was looking under C for Central, as the country's name starts in english. [1] Fry1989 ^eh? 21:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Thats ok, thank you. -- πϵρήλιο ℗ 10:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Regarding File:Presidential Standard of the Republic of Korea.svg

Hi! Regarding the shades of File:Presidential Standard of the Republic of Korea.svg, I suppose that your "4 sources" refer to those posted on User:Shyoon1's talk page. As you can see from 3 & 4, these two photos of actual flags clearly show the blue of the Presidential Standard to be sky blue, much lighter than the #003478 of the File:Flag of South Korea.svg seen in the same photo. I don't understand why you seem to have a preference for airline markings such as 1 & 2 (curious, these two markings should be from the same airplane shouldn't it?), and earlier ones of Air Koryo which you had used as evidence for the shades of File:Flag of North Korea.svg. These are painted flags, while there are a great deal of photos of actual flags flown in daylight available on the Internet. The official website of the Cheongwadae (see Photo section) for example, has a great deal of photos of the sky blue Presidential Standard indoors, some having the National Flag beside for comparison. Or YouTube, looks almost like the sky blue of the File:Flag of Kazakhstan.svg. --Shibo77 16:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I managed to located the law that established the S. Korean Presidential flag and there is a shade of blue mentioned, but cannot seem to get the text copied from the HWP file. I also have the law of the DPRK flag and there is no specific shades of colors either in that one. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Shibo, I'm not using aircraft makings for my references. Those are plaques of the Presidential flag. And that's not the only source. The Presidential seal of the Republic of Korea contains the two pheonixes and hybiscus flower, and that seal is also very clear, a darker blue is used. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

The aircraft markings were for his mention on the DPRK flag. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

No, they were for both. He's implying that I take aircraft markings over actual flags, when that's not the case. For the DPRK, I had actual flags as well as Air Koryo markings on my side, and for this, I have actual flags (plaques they may be, but they're not aircraft markings) and the Presidential seal on my side. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Where is the source for the presidential seal to which you are referring? I hope you don't mean the derivative work here on commons created by User:NikNaks93, (what is the source for this Presidential Seal anyways, I've only seen the Cheongwadae Seal being used). You have only the one plaque from the Presidential airplane. While it is clear from the numerous photos (possibly all photos available on the Internet) of the actual flag, that the shade is quite light, much lighter than that of the national flag. See these photos from the Cheongwadae website, it is obvious that the Presidential Standard has a shade of sky blue very different from that of the National Flag. Compare those photos with your shade of dark blue for both the Presidential Standard and the National Flag. Is it not obvious? --Shibo77 01:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes I do mean that seal, and if you want a source, here you go! 1, 2, and there's plenty more of them, and they are all the same dark blue. And actually I have two separate plaques of the flag, look at them again, they're different. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I have "대통령표장에관한건" from the Korean Government but I need a Korean speaker to look at the law and give us a clue. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

In reply to Zscout370, that law doesn't seem to state the shades of the Presidential Standard. In reply to Fry1989, You should put that source on the file page, it is currently stated to be a derivative work, and the derivative works did not cite those two sources you've given. In any case, those sources are for the Presidential Seal, not the Presidential Standard. As for the plaque being different, I really can't tell. (I see the difference now.) Have you seen the photos I've given in the links above? Is it not obvious that the shade of blue of the Presidential Standard is much lighter than that of the National Flag? Therefore, do you not agree that this shade is incorrect, and that the current shade is much truer to the actual flag? --Shibo77 02:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The seal contains the presidential standard as it's design (blue background, two gold phoenixes and a hibiscus), and whether you can tell the different between the two plaques or not isn't my problem. Of course I don't agree with you, or else this conversation wouldn't even be taking place. Clearly there's two shades used, dark blue, and a lighter one for larger flags. That doesn't make one or the other the absolute rule, as you are trying to push. Because the light blue used on the large flags is unclear, I feel we should go with the set darker blue used by all other Korean flags. 03:05, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Sure it does make one better than the other. As I have said, the blue of the Presidential Standard is not the same as that of the National Flag. You yourself have given source #3 which show this to be true. Also, how is it that "the light blue used on the large flags is unclear"? (Okay, this is ridiculous, it is clear as day, can you not access this photo list?) --Shibo77 03:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I can see the photos perfectly fine! No, that doesn't make one better than the other. Until there is a solid source for what shade that light blue is, going with the shame dark blue as all other Korean flags is not only prudent, it makes sense. You claimed I pick and choose, but that's exactly what you are doing right now, by trying to pretend the sources that disagree with you are somehow wrong. No source, and this is all conjecture. And what is rediculous is that you can't even handle the concept of somebody disagreeing with you on this, even when they have sources that say otherwise. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Well I understand that you disagree, but as I have explained to you, the shade of #003478 is incorrect. As you can view the SVG sourcecode for both your version of the Presidential Standard and that of the National Flag, and see for yourself. Your source #1 and #2 are photos of the plaque from the Presidential Airplane. While your source #3 and the photos from the Cheongwadae (Residence of the President) that I have posted, clearly show the light blue shade. Furthermore, your source #3 as well as many photos from the Cheongwadae, show both the National flag and the Presidential Standard, and clearly, the shades of blue are not the same. So I say again, the shade of #003478 "darker blue used by all other Korean flags" that you insist upon, is incorrect. Or, of course, that you consider the current shade of blue of the National Flag to be incorrect? In conclusion, do you not agree that the shade of blue of the Presidential Standard is not the same as that of the National Flag, and that the shade of #003478 that you insist upon is incorrect and should be corrected? Oh and also, YouTube videos from the Cheongwadae. --Shibo77 03:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't agree with you and I will not until there's an official source, so stop trying to convince me. There are images for both, and what you think about which is right or not is irrelevant. As long as there are contradicting images, we can't trust either until we have an official source, which is what Zscout is looking for. And when that source is translated and figured out, I expect you to respect it if it says dark blue, as you would have me respect it if it says light blue. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:42, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The en:Cheongwadae is very much an official source, and also there might not be a law with the Pantone standards. This isn't about selecting which one is better than the other, because your own sources show both the National Flag and the Presidential Standard. The current light blue shade might need tweaking, but I am only saying that the shade is not the same as that of the National Flag, per your source #3 and the Cheongwadae photos, which are very much official. --Shibo77 03:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Why have you removed my reply? --Shibo77 03:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Because I told you, there are official pics showing both!!!!! Until Zscout's government document which specifically states what the blue actually is, we can't trust either sources, my dark ones, or your light ones. Pics are pics, but an official document that states what the blue is supposed to be is the source we will follow. Now, leave my page alone, you're not going to convince me with 10 photos or 1000. I want the official source that Zscout is working on. That is what I will respect. I will NEVER agree with you based on pics alone, so STOP trying to convince me! Fry1989 ^eh? 03:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)