Commons:Deletion requests/File:Greater Israel Map.png

File:Greater_Israel_Map.png

i believe it was much work to PAINT this map, but still it'sreally bad. additionally it shows only fiction ‎עין לציון (talk) 15:59, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

As a map it has problems, but personal userbox images are usually allowed as such... AnonMoos (talk) 18:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

 Keep - The map being done in MSPaint, and being a work of fiction do not count as valid arguments for deletion. --Oren neu dag (talk) 12:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

If it would be fiction out of a novel or whatsoever you were right, but it's the drawers personal fiction and thus not of any interest for the WM projects.‎עין לציון (talk) 12:30, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Fiction in itself is not outside of WikiCommons scope of interest... after all there are those categories (Category:Maps_of_alternate_histories, Category:Maps of fictional countries, etc...)

If you think that all those categories and files, should not be in Wikicommmons. Well, this is not the place for this discussion. --Oren neu dag (talk) 14:25, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not at all against fictional maps. But they must show fiction that is worth mentioning. E. g. it might be interisting to see what Hitler thought the German Reich would be in 1950. This is a totally different case. And yes the may be some other "maps" that are the same nonsense, but about them we can not discuss here. Neither do I want to change deletion policy in this dicussion, by the way.‎עין לציון (talk) 16:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

 Keep The map shows hatemongering of a genocidal maniak, but, unfortunately, there are a lot of these genocidal fuckers, and that fact is educational in and of itself. Therefore, while i wish to state that whoever agrees with map is a piece of shit motherfucker; it should be kept on Commons. P.S. A big "fuck you" to the uploader! Beta M (talk) 06:10, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't get too carried away -- it certainly shows aggressive territorial irredentist expansionism (which can be considered rather obnoxious), but no particular evidence of "genocidal"[sic] intentions. It's really not any more or less "genocidal"[sic] than the earlier-uploaded versions of File:Flag-map of historic Palestine.jpg... AnonMoos (talk) 11:33, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Thet's a good example. The former flag map of "Palestine" shows how a mentionable number of people want to make others believe history was. Contrary to that, no one wants the borders shown in the map that is dicussed here as real Israeli borders.‎עין לציון (talk) 16:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Poor example. Palestinians do not deny that Israel exists, they only want it to be a country just like any other one. Israel's official position, on the other hand, is that Palestinians are vermin and not people. Beta M (talk) 18:58, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately for you, that's a pure propaganda lie (if you've never heard of Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini and so on, rest assured that many Israelis have), and not particularly relevant to the topic at hand. AnonMoos (talk) 19:11, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

If you ever heard the propaganda of Jews during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising calling for the toppling of third reich you could also conclude that they were the hatemongers, but it was simply a desperate act in the desperate situation. And please don't act all "holier then thou" with the statements about lack of relevancy. I have stated from the beginning that the horror of the genocidal practices of Zionists is educational and must as such remain on Commons. Beta M (talk) 04:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Dude, we're really not interested in your fact-free ranting biased propaganda tirades which have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not this image should be kept. Why don't you go to some other site where you can freely indulge yourself in expressing your racist views at length, since they really add nothing here? Or if you tire of being an ignorant bigot, then you could educate yourself on a few basic facts of history and the meanings of words (such as that fewer people have died on all sides during the whole last 75 years of Jewish/Israeli vs. Arab conflict than died in 18 months of the real genocide in Darfur -- or if Israelis actually in truth were determined to commit "genocide", then there wouldn't have been an Arab left between the Mediterranean and the Jordan by 1968). Funny thing how the Palestinian population continues to grow at a very high rate of increase during the supposed so-called "genocide"[sic]! Another funny thing is how there are about a hundred times more Arab citizens of Israel than there are Jewish citizens of all Arab-ruled countries combined... AnonMoos (talk) 08:06, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, it wasn't me who has started this argument. I have posted a keep vote, and you went in to argue that the reason for my keep vote is incorrect. Do you want to delete the image? If not then shut up. I am not racist, i am not the one who is promoting the state which claims to represent the population of only a single nationality (i.e. "jewish state"), i am not the one who is ignoring the current genocide by using the memory of the old one. The reason why there are so many palestinians who live within Israel is not that they all immigrated there; if somebody would say "There are more Black Foot who live in the United States than white americans on all the reservations, reserves, and native villages combined", that person would be called an idiot and a bigot, and that is the same in this situation. And no, i am not interested in the revisionist history lesson along the lines of "if Israel would want to, they would kill them already", the fact is that they want to, and they try, but the International community so far is holding them back just enough and thankfully so. Oh, and btw, palestinians aren't arabs. Beta M (talk) 09:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately for you, you were the one who sent the discussion off the rails, by choosing to drag up a lot of your longstanding simmering purely-personal bitter grievances, though these have very little or nothing to do with whether this file should be kept, and also by deliberately and intentionally using the word "genocide"[sic] in a reckless and irresponsible and non-factual manner. I tried to give you a gentle warning to keep more focused on the actual subject at hand -- but unfortunately for you, you deliberately chose to blow past the barriers and ignore all reasonable warnings, and instead indulge yourself in an embarrassing display of ridiculous shallow facile tendentious propaganda which wouldn't fool a moderately well-informed 12-year old, interspersed with your bigoted biased ranting irrelevant tirades. If you're done humiliating yourself in an embarrassingly public manner, then maybe we can get back to the actual issue at hand -- whether this file should be kept on Wikimedia Commons? AnonMoos (talk) 13:49, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, like i have already stated, even the right-wing propaganda of a genocidal maniac should be kept on Commons if it is in scope. The issue is closed as far as i'm concerned. Beta M (talk) 14:16, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

...but i'm quite sure you still will read this. The point is not, that weird ideas should not be published here. It's that the borders shown are demanded by no one, what makes the image useless in any aspect. By the way, if you are interested in facts at all: the Israeli right wing supports the 2-state-solution.‎עין לציון (talk) 18:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Beta_M, leave this DR now and please do not comment on any other Israel/Palestine matters, it is clear you are unable to remain impartial and this sort of name calling is simply not acceptable here. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

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In any case, if anyone wants to see a somewhat reputable map of what is claimed to be represented by this file, look at the thick purple line on http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/1923-1948-british-mandate.html ... -- AnonMoos (talk) 18:07, 15 November 2011 (UTC)