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Thanks MJL! I feel somewhat at odds with this barnstar of diplomacy, after 15 years of contributions on military-related topics! Thanks again, and my best wishes to you.----Darius (talk) 12:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work on improving the Troubles section on the article British war crimes! You added more clarity to the text and you sourced it as well. It’s a subject that’s close to my heart so thank you very much! The Optimistic One (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind mate, congrats to you for your excellent work on Enterteinment-related articles. The Troubles section was badly needed of sources referring specifically to war crimes. Thanks for the compliment!. Darius (talk) 21:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Still beating the anti-British horse I see. On the contrary I would say that there was no improvement, just the presentation of allegations and opinion pieces as facts when they aren't. As such I've amended it with the simple addition of the word "alleged". Unless found to be war crimes according to the International Criminal Court then it's not an official war crime just alleged. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:46, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mabuska, feel free to remove the entire section if you find it breaches WP:NPOV. I have only added, as you say, "opinion pieces" about well-documented facts, I guess (Ballymurphy, Bloody Sunday, Five Techniques), in order to source a number of unreferenced statements. Agreed on the rewording (alleged). Thank you.--Darius (talk) 23:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

I have removed it but only because of the prior talk discussion on the matter which found no consent for its inclusion in the first place. If consensus changes that it should be added under the guise of presenting well sourced allegations over stating allegations as if they are fact then I will restore it. Those incidents however despite being well-documented have not been found as war crimes, so their inclusoon ultimately is WP:OR and very subjective. Mabuska ^(talk) 16:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Fine for me, Mabuska, as I've said above, I was just "sourcing the unsourced". If those statements are deemed to be off-topic is another matter. Regards.--Darius (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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Timeline of the war in Donbas (2017) , Timeline of the war in Donbas (2018)

Hi FarSouthNavy. I have a question. It's not at all clear why you have copied most of the text from Timeline of the war in Donbas (2017) into Timeline of the war in Donbas (2018). Surely identical events did not happen in both years?— Diannaa (talk)

Hi Dianaa, thanks for your comment. Just check dates, text and sources carefully and you will realise that that's not the case. I was checking whether my mind was sending me a warning through a massive 'copy and paste' mishap, but fortunately all seems ok, events look pretty different.--Darius (talk) 18:17, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hi I just want to know where do you find all the information about timeline of donbass war 2022? Emac9823 (talk) 05:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Emac9823. You can find all the sources cited in the article in the "References" section, most of them with direct links to the original articles.--Darius (talk) 12:14, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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Pyrrhic victory

Hi FarSouthNavy - My reading of Template talk:Infobox military conflict#Use of "Pyrrhic victory" is that Pyrrhic is covered by the existing statement - hence
"It's already covered by the proviso "Do not introduce non-standard terms like "decisive", "marginal" or "tactical" - "Pyrrhic" being even less standard. " and
" the deprecation of such terms in the infobox does not mean that the sources should not be represented in the lead, where prose can convey such nuance"
I see no agreement that "Pyrrhic" is acceptable, whilst "decisive", "marginal" or "tactical" are not. - Arjayay (talk) 22:13, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

@Arjayay: Hi Arjajay - My rationale for restoring the term was based upon the infobox at Siege of Ostend; the conclusion at the template's talk page was that if enough sources are found, the non-standard result should remain. Feel free to revert my edits, but first please take a look to the mentioned article (Siege of Ostend).--Darius (talk) 22:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

The use in of Pyrrhic in Siege of Ostend (as well as Battle of Malplaquet, Battle of Callinicum and Battle of Perecué) was why the thread was started.
Although the thread petered out, rather than reaching a clear conclusion. The penultimate post includes

"The infobox, by its nature, does not allow to explain the nuance of such terms. However, the deprecation of such terms in the infobox does not mean that the sources should not be represented in the lead, where prose can convey such nuance .... we should direct the reader to the article (ie - victory X: see ...) rather than use a term with a degree of uncertainty in meaning to the reader or nuance in meaning by the the writer."

I agree with that, especially given the poor understanding of classical terms these days, I wonder how many readers actually understand what a pyrrhic victory is - they probably wonder what side the pyrrhics were fighting for ! - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 22:43, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, FarSouthNavy!

Happy New Year!

FarSouthNavy,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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@Moops:Same for you, Moops! Thank you and happy editing for 2023!!

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Beria

Hi there friend, I’ve removed “notorious” for its emotive connotations, but thought brutal was ok because i have seen it widely used in articles in a similar sense before. Plus his sadism is well documented but I felt you can’t apply the term sadist to policy itself. Hope we can work this out. 222.152.26.143 (talk) 05:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to Wikipedia. I have no doubt that Beria was a brutal henchman, a sadistic criminal and a rapist, but you should support all those claims by citing reliable sources. Please, take a look here: WP:RS and WP:V. Additionally, any statement in the lede should be concise and should reflect only what the body of the article says. Feel free to ask me any other question, best regards.-- Darius (talk) 16:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

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Cod war

Thank you for the thank you. It would be good if you could add an explicit support or oppose at Cod wars#NATO => Nato too, please. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Full source

Hey FarSouthNavy, I saw you added a ref to Italian battleship Vittorio Veneto but there isn't a full reference the footnote refers to - I don't know what it is, so could you add it in? Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 10:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Parsecboy, I had copied and pasted a harvard-style reference from another GA article on the topic, namely Battle of Šibenik, where the same source (listed in the references section of Italian battleship Vittorio Veneto) is used. Fixed now, thank you and best regards.--Darius (talk) 12:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated (for adding the content in the first place and fixing the footnote)! Parsecboy (talk) 12:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm investigating new socks of the sockmaster TimSala. In looking into the various socks, I noticed you've probably encountered them the most in your years of editing. If you don't mind looking at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TimSala and the associated archive, I would appreciate any insight you might be able to provide for the new investigation. Thank you! ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Pbritti. Frankly, as far as I can remember, I come upon only one of their "latests" sockpuppets, namely Sanguichdelsur. He made a couple of edits on one of the articles I watch, but I couldn't say much more. I will take time to look for any possible interaction with them or the other sockpuppets in my contributions in the past and I will be pleased to help you in the investigation if I find anything. Best regards.--Darius (talk) 01:14, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Chelsea Barracks edit

Hi FarSouthNavy

Please can you explain why you undid my (WednesdayFootSoldier) edits on this page (Chelsea_Barracks_bombing)?

Two points.

First, the article says 'they assumed': "The IRA unit assumed that would be a place where passing civilians were unlikely to get caught" We can not know what they really thought or felt, only what they expressed (they 'said'). Given the location the probability of civilian injury was high, which makes their assumptions very questionable to put it politely. I feel it is right to be precise, in this case, as it draws attention to the improbability of their claim, which shouldn't necessarily be taken at face value.

Secondly, I provided information about the location. London is a big place, often busy, sometimes not. I don't see why neutral information about distances from major pubic transport interchanges could be controversial, except they help undermine the claims of the IRA involved. It gives information and context to the reader.

I lived in that area for 11 years. Someone unfamiliar with it, as most wikipedia readers will be, could well take those improbable claims at face value. I feel wider context is needed. For example 'Chelsea' Barracks are not actually in the area most people would recognise as Chelsea, or its origins (Cheyne Walk, etc). It's actually closer to the Victoria area.

Yours in good faith,

WFS WednesdayFootSoldier (talk) 14:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi WednesdayFootSoldier;

The reasons for removing your good faith edit are based upon WP:NOR. I understand your rationale, but personal experience is not regarded as reliable for inclusion in Wikipedia (see WP:PRIMARY).

As for your first point, the statement you mention about the IRA claim had no citations supporting it and was consequently removed from the article (difference between revisions). Feel free to ask me if you have any other questions. Best regards-- Darius (talk) 21:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that removal of the IRA claim.

I would only add that geographic context is not personal experience (objective specifying of distances from traffic interchanges, etc).

I was only explaining my motivation for editing - and adding that neutral geo-info - was that I had lived there.

Best, WednesdayFootSoldier (talk) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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HMS Yarmouth (F101)

Good morning FarSouthNavy,
you reverted my deletion of the link to the external site. I searched the site again and - at least currently - there isn't any information about the ship or a related topic listed. Would you be so kind to explain, why you revertedmy edit?
Yours --Baumfreund-FFM (talk) 05:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Good morning Baumfreund-FFM.

The site is actually relevant to the topic since it is the diary of HMS Yarmouth activities during the Falklands War, the main conflict in which the ship became involved. I reverted your edit simply because that was the easier way to restore the info conveyed by the original link, not because it was wrong in anyway. Best regards. -- Darius (talk) 13:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Good morning FarSouthNavy,

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