User talk:Beardo

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Again, welcome! PseudoSkull (talk) 17:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. -- Beardo (talk) 21:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Author Redirects

Hello,

Not sure if you were aware, but many authors have redirects, so that you don't have to use the override_author section of the header template. Note that this changes the header from three lines to two, e.g. Men without Women/The Killers. If you preferred the former, feel free to revert my change, if not, I can adjust the rest of the transclusion to match; I just generally prefer headers that aren't so large.

Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@TeysaKarlov - thanks. I was aware of the redirects (though I don't know if I had realised there is one for Hemingway). I see what you mean about the header - why does it do that ? I wonder if there is a way to get it so it doesn't happen like that ? -- Beardo (talk) 03:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Beardo I'm afraid I don't know why it puts the extra line break in. Maybe if someone more knowledgeable in these matters happens past this comment, we could both find out. Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 03:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Men Without Women

Hello again,

In future, please (please please) create the main page for a work before creating all the subpages. It avoids any issues with having to move subpages because they aren't linked to the main page, all because of a lowercase "w"...

Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 03:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@TeysaKarlov - I think that there are really two separate things. The w/W was because I followed the style used for the index and source pages. I think that official wikisource policy would prefer "Men without women" - both lower case w. But I think as you have it looks better. Sorry about that.

On creating the main page, I am not sure that I feel confident enough to create those - especially when there wasn't even an index. The page would have been mostly red links. -- Beardo (talk) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Beardo I agree that the naming conventions can be confusing, and am rarely confident with naming myself, but I am fairly sure that the main page for a work is title case (Wikisource_talk:Naming_conventions). Also, even if you just transclude a single page (without a TOC or whatever else), and use the work incomplete tag, I would still recommend creating the main page first. Then you can check all the links on the subpages work, and that they are subpages of the intended main page. But maybe that is just me. Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 19:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@TeysaKarlov - I see a conversation about case there, but no clear conclusion. The Style Guide states "Sentence form (most words lowercase) is preferred, unless an original capitalisation is consistently used." - Wikisource:Style_guide#Page_titles -- Beardo (talk) 18:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Preferred style

Hi. You can see that I have played with some works from WT, per special:diff/13051650. We prefer that the works are set as subpages and retain their components of their parent work, also noting the full relative links, and the use of contributor. I will get back to seeing I can find the authors at a later time. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:33, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Billinghurst - Noted, thank you. When I first started doing these pages for stories in WT, I followed other pages already done in the same issues. I later realised that issues in later years are done with a different format. -- Beardo (talk) 16:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Yep, and as we started to build the collections of periodicals we adapted and changed.AND the WSes all differ a little. All a bit of a neverending story the clean up of old pages, but hey, it is what it is. Anyway my philosophy is to present solutions, not apply fault or get stuck on problems, so thanks for being understanding. Have a good one! — billinghurst sDrewth 19:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Billinghurst - I note that Weird Tales later in the year, and Amazing Stories no. 3 are similar to yours but include the editor - I suspect we need that. (Amazing Stories no. 2 is a mess - referring to Amazing Stories by H. G. Wells, Amazing Stories by Jules Verne etc.). I will have a go a tidying up the Weird Tales where I have been working, before moving back to the earlier ones. -- Beardo (talk) 23:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Beardo: Good-o. I would think that we would only be adding editor as a field at volume/issue level, not at article level. I would also think that we can build a list of editors at Portal:Amazing Stories. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:33, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

special:prefixindex/Amazing Stories <= building a link in to see what we are facing — billinghurst sDrewth 23:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I have link fixed the Amazing Stories/Volume 02, though will need to go back to the old version to make sure that none of the pages actually are from the volume and move them into place. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Explanation

We're dealing with a couple of banned people who are trying to push their (irrelevant) points of view on various talk pages, thus at present we're being fairly tough on talk page comments that aren't directly about improving a page. In answer to your question, IIRC Christie was one of the originators of the trope. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Beeswaxcandle - ah, OK. Sorry. -- Beardo (talk) 16:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

PG

Wikisource no longer accepts new works that are copied from Project Gutenberg. Secondary transcriptions of works are no longer accepted. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:20, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey - I am aware of that. So what ? Are we not allowed to include links to Project Gutenberg ? Where does it say that ? -- Beardo (talk) 11:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

The reason to put links on Author pages is to provide a source for adding the work here. Ideally, the link scan should be checked. As a result, we shouldn't link PG from Author pages any longer. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Technically speaking, policy prohibits such links altogether. See Wikisource:Wikilinks: "Links to non-Wikimedia pages are not acceptable." But we've been more flexible with links to scans, DOI links, and such on Author pages because they provide future editors with a source from which to pull a work into Wikisource. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested work

Under the Hau Tree, in 1925 Weird Tales, by Katherine Merritte Snyder Yates. I'm interested to see what she wrote here, as I'm finishing up the works by her published in their own right. PseudoSkull (talk) 16:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull - OK. -- Beardo (talk) 22:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull - It is now at Weird Tales/Volume 6/Issue 5/Under the Hau Tree -- Beardo (talk) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Fostered content..

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/fostered Much reduced, and if you can solve some remaining ones much appreciated :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Alongside the ongoing delint for bold/italics, Can you think of any non-cosmetic Wikisource specfic Checkwiki tasks that could be semi-automated?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Delinting...

I compiled these using PAWS:-

• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/s_space
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/s_pair
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/u_space
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/u_pair
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/b_space
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/b_pair
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/i_space
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/i_pair

It would be nice to try and remove any inadvertent U,S,B,I tags caused by OCR at the same time.

(The goal here is to allow for eventual automated conversion of these tags to equivalent wikitext markup.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:10, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Delinting unclosed formatting:-

You may find this useful:- https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt

And thanks for looking into the remaining namespace lints :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Index:Notes and Queries - Series 12 - Volume 10.djvu

Resolved. 23:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Constitution of the Esthonian Republic (1920)

If the source is not known, then how do you know the translation was published before 1929? It is the original that was published in 1920. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

True. I have changed. -- Beardo (talk) 03:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Mystery of the Blue Train and The Black Mask

Hi! I finished proofreading the book if you were interested in validating it at all.

Also I saw your interest in Samuel Dashiell Hammett. I'm pretty excited for the serialized version of Maltese Falcon to be public domain next year. I've reached out to the California Archives since they have a large collection of the magazines to see if they could digitize any of them. As well as to the University of Louisville who has some from 1928 and 1929. And I found a cover from 1923 that I uploaded as well. Best, SDudley (talk) 16:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

@SDudley - thanks for those messages. I haven't been doing much proofreading recently, but will try to get back to finish off the Christie.

Hammett - yes. He was one of the first that I looked at when I started here. I was disappointed how little of his there is here. I wasn't aware about The Maltese Falcon - though I note that the last part appeared in the January 1930 issue - I don't know if that means that we will have to wait until the following year to finish. I see that the stories that made up The Dain Curse are now PD, and those for Red Harvest will be next year. It would be good to get those as well. Cheers -- Beardo (talk) 04:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Interestingly the January 1930 edition was copyrighted in December 1929, so the whole serial will be public domain next year.

UCLA said they wouldn’t do any scans, but I have gotten some confirmation from Louisville. I think I got 2 chapters of The Dain Curse, so I’ll hopefully get around to uploading those this week.

and thanks for any validating you could do :) SDudley (talk) 13:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@SDudley - oh great. I knew that it was common for magazines to be published earlier than the cover date, but didn't know if the copyright date matched the cover date or the actual publication. -- Beardo (talk) 15:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Beardo! Here are the two stories of The Dain Curse that are already public domain from 1928. I got the scans today from Louisville University. I'm not certain if they would be subject to a transcription project or not, but please do with them what you like. Glad to help support your interest in this author. And if you care at all about The Black Mask as a publication I'll be uploading some covers of that as well. SDudley (talk) 00:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I may have acted too quickly

I just proposed deletion of Patimokkha. I see you have recently updated its copyright banners, so maybe you were working on getting a clearer answer yourself. Apologies if I made a mess of things. -Pete (talk) 04:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth - thanks - no problem. What you did is fine. With some of these translation, I have been adding that template so it is clear that they need two licences, especially if the original licence is clear, but haven't been doing much to follow up. -- Beardo (talk) 04:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks. That makes sense. Just hard to tell sometimes, whether somebody is actively working on something, or just doing a bunch of organizing and tidying. Appreciate your efforts on translations etc. -Pete (talk) 08:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikisource:Scriptorium#With_a_Difference

So, I just wrote this about With a Difference and thought you might like to comment or watch. Don't worry: it is nothing scary or whiney or combative or otherwise unflattering or worse.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

When I first started working on the copyright banner backlog, it contained in excess of 1,500 pages. As of today it's 400. More times than not, when I would click into a page, I'd find that you had been there first, offering insightful results from your research and knowledge. I don't think anybody has contributed more to this recent backlog clearing push than you, and I commend you for your work, and thank you for your insights that have helped me improve my own Wikisource work. -Pete (talk) 23:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Specify a TOC on the Index page

I have been trying to specify the TOC on the Index page of this file to the "Contents" section only but not familiar with the required wikicode for it to happen. Any help is very much appreciated. Thank you! Cerevisae (talk) 09:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Problem solved. I got the answer from Help:Index pages#Parameters under "Table of Contents" section. Cerevisae (talk) 11:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Cerevisae - Glad to hear that. I wouldn't have known what to say - I am not an expert on that either. Beardo (talk) 12:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)