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Just a Simple Question

I wonder why Visual Editor does not supports some languages, even French Wikipedia doesn't supports (I accidentally saw after going link to your User Page). Is it Visual Editor's Technical Problem? Or Local Wikipedia Problem? --Alex00728 (talk) 10:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey Alex00728

VisualEditor has some problems with some writing systems: composed writings like hangeul, right-to-left languages and others. These technical problems will be solved in the coming months (not scheduled at the moment).

Otherwise, VisualEditor is deployed on quite all latin languages. French Wikipedia uses it, and there you have the choice between wikitext editor (button "modifier le code") and VE (button "modifier") by default. Some other latin-based language Wikipedias don't have VE yet, per communities decisions.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:59, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh.. Is Visual Editor not in beta for some latin languages? I found Visual Editor beta on English Wikipedia, and I thought there isn't any not in beta Visual Editors. Thank you for your accurate answer. --Alex00728 (talk) 10:25, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

VE is a beta feature on English, Dutch, German and Spanish. All other Latin languages have VE activated by default. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Outreach program

Hello, I just found out about the Outreach program, and I was wondering what are the priorities of the translation program, I took look at the mini-tasks and I definitely can do them but as someone who isn't programmer what would the best direction I should focus on for internship project? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by KenzaLkheir (talk)

Hello

Did you had a look to the Outreach program task on Phabricator?

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:33, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Some problem about Flow

Hello ! I'm user from zh wikipedia. I try to post something but it's show "Error: One or more dependencies failed to load".Sometime, it may work ( that mean not error ) , but most of the time it show that , and I can't post message.9shi (talk) 23:53, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

It's still cannot be used . It's show : Error: One or more dependencies failed to load.( win 10 .chrome45.0.2454.101 ) 9shi (talk) 00:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Bug report

Hi, Trizek. I'm from Japanese Wikipedia, ja:user:にょきにょき. I reported an IME bug on VE (ja:Wikipedia:ビジュアルエディター/フィードバック/IME). Could you please confirm it? Regards, --Nyoki2 (talk) 15:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Nyoki2!

I was on vacation last week. This bug has been reported here. Thank you for pointing this out!

Best, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:13, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

translation adminship

Hi, I just gave you, as requested, TA rights here. I assume you know how it works. Have fun, -Barras talk 23:00, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Barras. Thanks a lot :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:40, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Amélioration technique de Wikiquote

Bonsoir,

J'avais contribué à Wikiquote mais ai vite abandonné. Ce qui m'a tout de suite posé problème et m'a conduit, je pense, à m'en éloigner assez vite, c'est la structure de Wikiquote organisée par pages regroupant des citations. Cela conduit à devoir copier chaque citation dans au moins deux pages, la page de l'auteur et la page du sujet. Ce principe de doublon n'est pas du tout satisfaisant.

Une solution, je pense, serait d'avoir une page par citation. Et chaque citation serait marquée (catégorisée ?) d'une part de leur auteur et d'autre part (séparément) de leur sujet. Pour la consultation, les pages sur un sujet donné ou sur un auteur donné pourraient être regroupées sous une forme à déterminer, par exemple :

• une liste des sujets de citation pour un auteur donné ou une liste des auteurs de citation pour un sujet donné ;
• une page de consultation regroupant les différentes citations sur un sujet ou une page de consultation regroupant les différentes citations d'un auteur donné, un peu comme le bistro de la Wikipédia francophone qui est le regroupement de plusieurs pages journalières.

Wikiquote n'est pas un projet très vivant mais une amélioration de sa structure pourrait peut-être permettre de le péréniser.

O.Taris (discuter) 22:02, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Bonjour O.Taris

Je connais vraiment très peu Wikiquote.

Cependant, il serait possible d'améliorer le système que tu décris assez facilement, en créant effectivement une page par citation et en les transcluant là où cela est nécessaire (comme fait sur le bistro de fr.wp). Cette amélioration est du ressort de la communauté, qui peut éventuellement faire appel à la Fondation (au travers des subventions/Grants) pour avoir un peu de soutien technique (via un bot, par exemple).

Dans tous les cas, il y a une partie importante qui repose sur les épaules de la communauté. Celle-ci doit être proactive et initier le changement. La communauté de Wikisource a ainsi établi des besoins, qui ont été pris en compte lors du sondage sur les besoins techniques communautaires.

Cordialement, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 22:23, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

J'en avais parlé au salon de Wikiquote mais ça semble avoir été sans suite, soit parce que c'est une mauvaise idée, soit parce que Wikiquote manque de contributeurs. Mais je ne crois pas que cela puisse être fait par la seule communauté car il faudrait séparer complétement les marquages (ou catégorisation) auteur et sujet. Je t'ai fait part de cette proposition en écho à ma dernière remarque sur le bistro de la Wikipédia francophone où je regrettais que des projets complexes soient développés pour traiter des besoins qui n'en sont pas vraiment alors qu'on pourrait faire des choses simples pour traiter des problèmes qui me paraissent réels. O.Taris (discuter) 22:46, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Ah, l'implication :/

J'ai galéré (et galère encore) en tant que bénévole pour avoir des avis sur des choses importantes et structurelles sur Wikipédia, alors j'imagine bien que sur un wiki à faible trafic, c'est pire encore. Et professionellement parlant, c'est tout aussi difficile.

Une manière de faire serait de poser la question directement aux contributeurs actifs, en laissant un message sur leur page de discussion, pointant vers une proposition concrète de structuration. Cela prend du temps, mais c'est le plus efficace.

J'ai répondu sur le bistro (sans doute l'as-tu vu). J'espère que cette réponse te sera utile, je serai ravi de détailler si tu le souhaites.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 22:53, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

mw:Help talk:Notifications

This talk page is full of stuff that has nothing to do with the help page, please move to mw:Talk:Echo (Notifications) all offtopic threads. Nemo 08:05, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Flow

Bonjour, je n'ai vu que des Wikipedias demander Flow, un Wikivoyage ou un Wikibooks peut-il églement le demander ?
Merci d'avance Archi38 (talk) 20:24, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

PS: Et félicitation pour ces notifications interwikis, ça va être beaucoup plus pratique !

Bonjour Archi38

Le Wiktionaire en français teste Flow, Wikidata et MediaWiki l'ont de disponible dans les préférences Beta. Il est donc possible pou rune communauté qui en fait la demande (suite à décision collégiale) de tester Flow sur leur wiki.

Pour les notifications interwiki, nous comptons beaucoup sur vos retours dès jeudi pour améliorer cette nouveauté ! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:08, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Nouveaux logos

New Wiktionary proposal logo

Bonjour,

J'ai amélioré et "flatisé" les logos de la Wikimedia notemment ceux de Wikinews et Wiktionary qui en avaient bien besoin ! Où doit-on proposer mes nouveaux logos étant donné que cela impactera les wikis dans toutes les langues ?

Et voici la liste complète de mes logos ici

Merci d'avance, Archi38

Bonjour Archi38

Ce type de changement est à proposer sur Meta, sur la page Requests for comment.

Par contre, je doute que cela soit facilement accepté.

Cordialement, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Place to post news on the Wikipedia in Russian

Dear colleague! You asked to move your message to most suitable place and inform you. The forum of the Wikipedia in Russian has a special section to post news: ru:Википедия:Форум/Новости (I moved your message to that section). Gamliel Fishkin 12:08, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Gamliel Fishkin. Really appreciated! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Pl-Wiki Flow notification

Dear Trizek,
Thank you for letting us know about Flow beta feature. For your information, you had asked Tar in his discussion page about the discussion about introducing Flow. In this discussion the voices were split 9:9, or 8:7 (depends on count), so about fifty-fifty, very far from "consensus", at least in my humble opinion. Yours --Felis domestica (talk) 23:03, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello Felis domestica

I've cheched the community consultation when Tar Lócesilion made the request. I haven't seen anything which was a blocker: some decisions on some wikis can be taken with a fifty-fifty result. I also know automated translations from Polish to English are perfectible, that's why I've asked Tar for precision.

My advice for your community would be to try Flow, but it is your decision.

Best, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Traduction

Salut, je cherche à savoir s'il est possible d'utiliser l'extension Translate sur meta en partant d'une version française ? et quelle doit alors être le nom de la page source (par exemple « Page » ou « Page/fr ») ? Akeron (talk) 13:43, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Salut Akeron

La langue de base est l'anglais, par défaut. Pour l'exemple, les pages de la wikiconférence fr ne sont pas marquées pour la traduction vu qu'elles ne sont pas en anglais de base.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:32, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Donc ce n'est pas possible d'utiliser cette extension pour faire du fr->en ? ou est-ce qu'on peut changer la langue par défaut au moment où l'admin marque la page pour la traduction ?Akeron (talk) 16:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Je n'ai pas souvenir d'avoir vu une telle possibilité. Je vais me remplonger dans la doc. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Sister Projects Committee

Bonjour, le comité des projets frères est censé analyser les propositions de nouveaux projets, seulement il a arrêté de faire son job depuis 2005 (dernière fois qu'ils ont approuvé/désapprouvé un projet). Pourriez-vous vous pencher sur ça à la Wikimedia foundation ? Je pense qu'il faudrait voter par une prise de décision le fait que le comité soit remplacé par des stewards. Il faudrait également rendre traduisible les pages sur le sujet.

Je propose ça car je compte bientôt proposer un projet et je souhaiterais avoir une réponse. Cordialement, Archi38 (talk) 16:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Bonjour Archi38

Si j'en crois Proposals_for_new_projects, la dernière proposition revue date de fin 2014. La plupart des propositions ne dépassent pas le statut de discussion et rares sont celles qui vont jusqu'à être proposées pour de bon. Quand elles le sont, elles sont closes après discussion, par les participants.

Pour ce qui est de remplacer le SPCom par les stewards, il faut lancer une RfC. C'est une décision communautaire à prendre qui ne dépend pas de la Fondation.

Rendre traduisible la page New project process nécessite qu'elle quitte son statut de brouillon. N'importe quel utilisateur ayant les droits de traduction peut alors la marquer pour traduction.

Cordialement, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Ah oui autant pour moi.. Pour ce qui est de la RFC, je la fait sur RFC ou Meta:RFC ? J'aurais tendance à dire RFC vu que cela influencera tous les nouveaux projets, mais d'un autre côté les décisions ne seront prises que sur Meta.

Pour ce qui est de la page, je l'écrirais une fois la RFC close. Et merci ! Archi38 (talk) 10:49, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Au pire, quelqu'un vous dira où faire la RFC. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 11:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

RFC créée ! Archi38 (talk) 18:13, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Page protection in Flow

Is it possible to fully protect only the "description" section of a Flow board? I tried the normal "protect" (&action=protect) and it protects the whole board (i.e. normal users can't post nor reply anymore). Thanks. Kenrick95 (talk) 13:17, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kenrick95

Unfortunately, that's not possible at the moment. Do not hesitate to request it on the related Phabricator task.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 08:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Workboard and priority

Pay attention to https://secure.phabricator.com/T8135 Nemo 08:48, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Wow! I didn't knew about that, thanks Nemo. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:08, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Piped links in Flow

Hello Trizek. There seems to be a problem with piped links in Flow. When trying to use them at Wikispecies they do not work as expected, or simply not at all. Also, patrolling edits made using Flow doesn't work: whether "manually" trying to mark them as patrolled (using the diffs.) or by use of RTRC, nothing happens. I've tried setting the namespaces to "All" in RTRC, as well as "Topic", but neither works. Please see species:User talk:Archi38#Please hit the breaks for details regarding both the piped links and patrolling problems.

Marking edits as patrolled perhaps isn't a very big deal, but being able to use piped links is important, and a basic part of wiki code. Do you please have any hints, thoughts or solutions regarding this? –Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk · contribs) 09:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC).

Hi Tommy Kronkvist

Sorry for that late answer, I was off these last days.

Can you give me an example of a piped link? Do you mean a link like that example: [[species:User talk:Archi38#Please hit the breaks|see Archi38's page]]? If yes, having an arrow after the link is a normal behavior: that link goes to an other website and people may want to know about it.

Also, concerning patrolling and history, we have a bunch of things that should be fixed. We will prioritize that soon (with a user survey) and I hope we wil have resources do fix things and ad new features to Flow.

Regarding RTRC, Flow is provided with an API and other technical things I don't know about (I'm not a developer :)). It is up to all other developers to use these components to create and improve their tools. The Collaboration team will bu its very best to give the relevant tools to all volunteers developers.

Feel free to contact me any time if you have additional suggestions or feedback, either here or on WikiSpecies! I'll be happy to help you.

Best, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:47, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Tech News test

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• A new image scaler fixed a number of bugs for showing SVG files. Some new problems turned up. [1][2][3]
• Notifications are grouped by types. They are now counted by number of notifications and not by unread groups. That change may increase the number of notifications displayed. The earlier way of counting was often incorrect. Unread notifications will also be displayed first. [4][5][6]
• Special:Notifications now has a maximum width for the notifications list on desktop computers. This allows long titles and descriptions to be cut properly. Notifications are now also better parsed. [7][8][9]

Problems

• On 5 July Wikimedia Commons had problems and could not be edited for 20 minutes. For a short while after that the recent changes log and some gadgets were not working properly. It affected administrative actions on other projects too. [10]
• Users who have multiple unread notifications can mark them as read by visiting Special:Notifications page on their wiki.

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 July. It will be on all wikis from 14 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• …

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Tech News test #29

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Due to the rollback, new sorting of Notifications on the Fly-Out Menus has been deployed with a delay. [11]
• Due to the rollback, the daily special patch deployment process has been changed. [12]
• In notifications, "Messages" are now called "Notices". [13]

Problems

• On July 12 all wikis were rolled back to MediaWiki 1.28.0-wmf.8 due to a problem in the log-in system. [14][15]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 July. It will be on all wikis from 21 July (calendar).
• Special:Log now has a help link. [16]
• The RevisionSlider can be tested on the beta cluster. From 22 July, it will be available as a beta feature at: German Wikipedia, Arabic Wikipedia, Hebrew Wikipedia

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "Devise plan for a cross-wiki watchlist back-end". The meeting will be on 20 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join. [17]

Future changes

• User scripts and bots can no longer use http:// to edit wiki pages. [18][19]
• Gerrit is going to be updated. Developers are invited to test it. [20]

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11:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech/News/2016/29

Hello. I've added some links to Phabricator. Could you mark the new version for translation? Guycn2 · ☎ 12:23, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Guycn2

I've marked the page for translation so your links will be visible on translations on meta. But Tech News has now been delivered and translations will not affect delivered messages, unless if they are done page by page.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:39, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

What a shame :( thank you anyway. Guycn2 · ☎ 12:47, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News is delivered on Monday, usually during morning. But we freeze the content on Fridays afternoon UTC to allow people to translate it during the weekend. If you have changes or suggestions, please add them before Friday afternoon UTC. Monday morning's edits are rare and that's a good thing. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

OK. Guycn2 · ☎ 13:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Commons & Flow

Is there any timeline if and/or when Commons may get opt-in for Flow as a beta? I like it on Wikidata, and like to see it on Commons as well. :) Josve05a (talk) 01:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello Josve05a

Flow will not be deployed on any project, unless if a community asks for it. As written on that page, if the Commons community manages to reach a consensus to have Flow deployed as a Beta feature, then Flow will be available. That question has already been asked by community members in August 2015 and the answer was "not yet".

Hope this helps! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Issue with the filters

Hi Trizek. I found an issue with the new RC filters, and I thought I should let you know.

Try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1 and then in the dropdown below the filters, use "Template" as the namespace of interest, then press "Show".

When the page loads again, not only it is *not* showing Template namespace changes, but the dropdown has also been reset to "All". In other words, RC filters take away one's ability to restrict RC to a specific namespace. If you like I can also file a Phab task for it. Thanks! Huji (talk) 15:09, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Huji, good catch. I'm reporting it right now. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Flow at Persian Wikipedia

Hello,

Per this discussion, please activate Flow for Reference desk at Persian Wikipedia. Thank you 4nn1l2 (talk) 14:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello 4nn1l2, it is done! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Extension

Bonjour,

j'ai fait une RfC qui, si elle est acceptée, demanderait une extension supplémentaire (ou une mise à jour d'une extension Wikimédia). Devrais-je m'addresser au projet Phabricator Mediawiki-extensions-requests ou y a-t-il un projet spécifique ?

Merci d'avance, CreativeC38 (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Bonjour CreativeC38

Un premier contact avec l'équipe Language aurait permis de savoir s'il était possible d'avoir ce droit global ou non. À priori, c'est cette équipe qui aura en charge un tel développement, le délai restant à sa discrétion.

Cordialement, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter, July 19, 2017

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons?

The millions of files on Wikimedia Commons are described with a lot of information or (meta)data. With the project Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons, this data is structured more, and is made machine-readable. This will make it easier to view, search (also multilingually), edit, organize and re-use the files on Commons.

In early 2017, the Sloan Foundation funded this project (see documentation). Development takes place in 2017–2020. It involves staff from the Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Deutschland (WMDE) and many volunteers. To achieve this, Wikibase support is added to Wikimedia Commons. Wikibase is the technology that is also used for Wikidata.

Recent developments: groundwork

• A new and crucial technical step (federation) now makes it possible to reference data from one Wikibase website in another. Because of this, it will be possible to use Wikidata's items and properties to describe media files on Commons.
• Another important piece of groundwork is under development: so-called Multi-Content Revisions. This feature allows structured data to be stored alongside wiki text, so that one wiki page can contain several types of content.

Team updates

• Amanda Bittaker was hired as Program Manager for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons. Amanda will take care of the overall management of the project.
• Sandra Fauconnier (known as Spinster in her volunteer capacity) is the new Community Liaison. She will support the collaboration between the communities (Commons, Wikidata, GLAM) and the product development teams at the Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Deutschland.
• We have open positions for a UX designer and a Product Manager!

Talking with communities and allies

• Long-term feedback from GLAMs. Besides the Wikimedia community, many external cultural and knowledge institutions (GLAMs - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) are interested in Structured Data on Commons and are willing to provide feedback on the long-term plans for the project. Alex Stinson, GLAM strategist at the Wikimedia Foundation, is currently in contact with Europeana, DPLA, the Smithsonian and the National Archives of the United States. Alex is also looking for other GLAM institutions who might be able to advise on the long term. If you know of an institution or partner that may be appropriate for consultation, do get in touch with Alex.
• Jonathan Morgan, design researcher, is starting to work on two projects:
  • Researching batch upload workflows by interviewing GLAM institutions
  • Researching the enrichment, organization and improvement tasks on already uploaded media files by engaging with active Commons contributors. This research follows up on existing research by Wikimedia Deutschland on heavy Commons users.

What comes next?

• The Structured Data on Commons team meets in the week after Wikimania to lay the groundwork for the next steps. This includes new backend development and design work, for better and more clear integration of the structured data in pages on Wikimedia Commons.
• The project's information pages on Wikimedia Commons will receive a long overdue update in the upcoming months. The team will also work on more and better communication channels. Feedback, wishes and tips are welcome at the project's general talk page.

Get involved

• Join us at Wikimania! We are present at the hackathon, and there will be a session on Saturday, August 12: Structured Commons: what changes are coming?
• Follow the Structured Data on Commons project on Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/34/
• Subscribe to this newsletter to receive it on a talk page of your own choice.
• Do you want to help out translating messages about Structured Data on Commons from English to your own language? Sign up on the translators page.
• Stay tuned for requests for input, discussion and participation as soon as the info portal is refreshed (see above). These will also be announced via this newsletter.

Many greetings from SandraF (WMF) (talk), Community Liaison for this project! 13:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Catalan Wikiquote

Hi, Trizek. Could you take a look at our thread from Catalan Wikiquote. We have a new question about Flow in our project. Thanks! --Docosong (talk) 16:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Done Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:47, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Ressources de la WMF pour les Wiktionnaires

Salut Trizek !

Une contributrice du Wiktionnaire, Zawer, vient de poser une intéressante question à laquelle tu pourras peut-être répondre mieux que nous. Combien la Wikimedia Fondation consacre-t-elle de ressources aux Wiktionnaires ? Aussi bien en développement logiciel spécifique qu'en communication ou maintien des serveurs. Je sais qu'une équipe de Wikidata bosse sur l'intégration de données du Wiktionnaire, mais elle doit être financée par WMDE si je me souviens bien. Et du coup, au niveau de la fondation, je n'ai aucune idée de l'aide que reçoivent les projets Wiktionary. Aurais-tu cette information, ou saurais-tu où la trouver ? Merci d'avance ! Noé (talk) 09:52, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Effectivement, la question est intéressante... Mais la réponse ne va pas être facile Je réponds là bas. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:12, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Merci, et désolé si ça te prends du temps qui pourrait servir à une tâche plus utile. Tant que l'on est à parler de sous, serait-il possible de savoir si des dons reçus par la Fondation ont été spécialement fléchés pour le Wiktionnaire ? Je sais bien que pour les petits dons (qui forment la majorité des ressources), il n'est pas possible de demander à ce qu'ils ne servent qu'à une tâche précise, mais je pense à des plus gros apports. Je pense que la réponse est non, mais je ne sais pas où la trouver. Désolé encore de passer par toi comme intermédiaire pour mes questions, peut-être qu'un autre salarié de la WMF ou qu'une liste de discussion serait plus adéquate. Noé (talk) 13:25, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Comme j'explique dans ma réponse détaillée, rien n'est fléché, sauf projets spécifiques faisant l'objet d'une donation dédiée. C'est le cas du projet contre le harcèlement qui fait l'objet d'une donation de la part du fondateur de Craiglist. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:59, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Contacting the WMF Legal department

I am contacting you because you are listed as a Community Liaison.

I am putting together a proposal at User:Guy Macon/Proposals/CAPTCHA (part of a series of proposals at User:Guy Macon/Proposals).

In my opinion, the next logical step is to inform someone at the WMF legal department. My problem is that there does not appear to be any noticeboard associated with the WMF legal department and every member of the WMF legal department appears to have a user talk page that cannot be edited.

I am unwilling to use email or post to a mailing list because I want everything involved with my proposals to be open and accessible through the history of the page where the discussion occurred. Can you suggest a way that I can contact legal regarding this matter? -Guy Macon (talk) 17:38, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Guy Macon, and thank you for you message. I've noticed that you have contacted Jacob Rogers from Legal so I guess you don't need my assistance anymore. Best, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:19, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Only if zero response from the legal department over an apparent violation of the law by the WMF is an acceptable outcome. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

reply

Hello,

This has a reference to your post on my UrWiki talk page and also our Wikimania discussion.

To the best of my knowledge, no sysop or bureaucrat is fully aware as to where to look for system messages/templates for modification. They seem to be available in four different directions:

a) on the Wiki itself

b) on Media Wiki

c) on Meta

d) on Translatewiki

I suggested a listing page, i.e. admins should know where to look for in addressing issues on hand easily.

1. I also suggest designing a training video for effective use of admin rights. I gave the suggestion that initially this video could be in English which could be later translated into other languages.
2. I also suggested online sessions for admins of different Wikis. This I feel could be carried on Skype/ Google hangout and groups of admins and bureaucrats could participate in the sessions with the aim of getting deep insights and at the same time clarifying many technical doubts about available tools, templates, system messages and also other aspects such as using Phabricator.--Muzammil (talk) 16:52, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Muzammil!

Searching for templates or system messages have a known location. You don't need to find them on other wikis.

Templates are only local. There is no cross-wiki templates (a template hosted on a given wiki, but working elsewhere) for now.

System messages are global, all hosted on TranslateWiki, except if they have been overwritten on the local wiki. There is a way to find system messages you need: when you are on the interface, append uselang=qqx at the end of the URL (prefixed by ?, or & is there is already a ?). For instance, see my talk page with only interface messages codes.

When you display this interface with only system messages, you can pick the one you want to check. Let's say we want to check (visualeditor-ca-editsource), which displays Edit source:

1. copy the message name, without the brackets: visualeditor-ca-editsource
   • to copy it, you may have to use the inspector in your browser (right click > inspect), to copy it. I often recopy it by hand, because it goes faster
2. check if the message is local by searching it. It is a MediaWiki message, so add the prefix: Mediawiki:visualeditor-ca-editsource
   1. If the page exists locally, you need to edit it locally to have local changes
   2. If the page doesn't exists, you have to go to translatewiki to work on it.

I hope I'm clear enough. If not, please ask me for more details!

Training videos for admins is a pretty good idea. I'm going to ask if there is already some existing.

Online sessions pretty much exist, as instant help on IRC. Anyone can join #mediawiki^connect and have some advice about the tools. You can join anytime. I'll share your idea of having video sessions.

I'll keep you posted, but it may take a bit of time to have the answers. Do not hesitate to ping me to know if I have updates!

Thanks, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:10, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Please be more careful in updating the distribution list

Notice how in this edit of yours you changed the English Wiktionary's target from the correct one to the incorrect one? Please be more careful. It is rather annoying to have to move it to the right place and then come back here and fix it so frequently. Please check any other similar lists you have carelessly updated and fix them. --Wikitiki89 (talk) 15:46, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for this issue, Wikitiki89. I've updated the list automatically to change the format used, to query it more easily. Thank you for fixing it. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Your message is translated in Hindi

Your message here is translated in Hindi.Thanks for contacting Hindi wikipedia and updating.:- Swapnil.Karambelkar (talk) 14:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Structured Commons newsletter, October 25, 2017

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates

• Rama published an article about Structured Commons in Arbido, a Swiss online magazine for archivists, librarians and documentalists: original in French, illustrated and the article translated in English.
• We now have a dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd ^webchat

Things to do / input and feedback requests

• Join the community focus group!
• Translation. Do you want to help out translating messages about Structured Data on Commons from English to your own language? Sign up on the translators page.
• The documentation and info pages about Structured Data on Commons have received a thorough update, in order to get them ready for all the upcoming work. Obsolete pages were archived. There are undoubtedly still a lot of omissions and bits that are unclear. You can help by editing boldly, and by leaving feedback and tips on the talk pages.
• We have started to list tools, gadgets and bots that might be affected by Structured Commons in order to prepare for a smooth transition to the new situation. You can help by adding alerts about/to specific tools and developers on the dedicated tools page. You can also create Phabricator tasks to help keep track of this. Volunteers and developers interested in helping out with this process are extremely welcome - please sign up!
• Help write the next Structured Commons newsletter.

Presentations / Press / Events

Audience at Structured Commons design discussion, Wikimania 2017

• Structured Data on Commons was presented at Wikimania 2017 in Montréal for a packed room. First design sketches for search functionality were discussed during a breakout session. Read the Etherpad reports of the presentation and the breakout session.
• Katherine Maher, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, answered questions on Quora. One of her answers, mentioning Structured Data on Commons, was republished on Huffington Post.
• Sandra Fauconnier, Amanda Bittaker and Ramsey Isler from the Structured Commons team will be at WikidataCon. Sandra presents Structured Commons there (with a focus on fruitful collaboration between the Wikidata and Commons communities). If you attend the conference, don't hesitate to say hi and have a chat with us! (phabricator task T176858)

Team updates

The Structured Commons team at Wikimania 2017

Two new people have been hired for the Structured Data on Commons team. We are now complete! :-)

• Ramsey Isler is the new Product Manager of the Multimedia team.
• Pamela Drouin was hired as User Interface Designer. She works at the Multimedia team as well, and her work will focus on the Structured Commons project.

Partners and allies

• We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!

Research

Design research is ongoing.

• Jonathan Morgan and Niharika Ved have held interviews with various GLAM staff about their batch upload workflows and will finish and report on these in this quarter. (phabricator task T159495)
• At this moment, there is also an online survey for GLAM staff, Wikimedians in Residence, and GLAM volunteers who upload media collections to Wikimedia Commons. The results will be used to understand how we can improve this experience. (phabricator task T175188)
• Upcoming: interviews with Wikimedia volunteers who curate media on Commons (including tool developers), talking about activities and workflows. (phabricator task T175185)

Development

In Autumn 2017, the Structured Commons development team works on the following major tasks (see also the quarterly goals for the team):

• Getting Multi-Content Revisions sufficiently ready, so that the Multimedia and Search Platform teams can start using it to test and prototype things.
• Determine metrics and metrics baseline for Commons (phabricator task T174519).
• The multimedia team at WMF is gaining expertise in Wikibase, and unblocking further development for Structured Commons, by completing the MediaInfo extension for Wikibase.

Stay up to date!

• Follow the Structured Data on Commons project on Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/34/
• Subscribe to this newsletter to receive it on a talk page of your own choice.
• Join the next IRC office hour and ask questions to the team! It takes place on Tuesday 21 November, 18.00 UTC.

Warmly, your community liaison, SandraF (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 14:26, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Filter not saved

Hello

I edit the Hungarian Wikipedia and I encountered the following problem: I created a filter for "Special:RecentChanges", but the filter does not remain active (although it is saved and it shows its given name!), I have to select again the filtering on that page. How can I help you with more info to fix it? I hope you can help.

Anyway the "RecentChanges" was much longer, but now it shows only "the last 500 changes" at most. Previously it showed about the last 10.000 changes if I remember well. Can I ask this feat back, please? --Misibacsi (talk) 15:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Misibacsi

Let's try to understand what is not working. Can you share the link for that filter and telle me what you want it to do?

RecentChanges have always been limited to all edits during the last 30 days if there is less than 500 new changes. If there is more than 500 changes, you only see the last 500 edits (which can have been done today only).

Best, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello

It is on this page: https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?hidebots=1&hideminor=1&hideWikibase=1&limit=50&days=30&enhanced=1&title=Speci%C3%A1lis:Friss_v%C3%A1ltoztat%C3%A1sok&urlversion=2

It seems I cannot actually copy the filter here.

I gave it a name: "500 változtatás" (= "500 changes"). It is inside "Mentett szűrők" (="Saved filters"). I guess it is visible for me personally. Can you see it? --Misibacsi (talk) 20:44, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Misibacsi.

I see the following filters active: "Human (not bot)", "Non-minor edits", "Page edits", "Page creations", "Category changes" and "Logged actions". Are they the filters you want to have saved? IF not, which filters are missing?

No. They seem to be saved, these filters do not disappear. Misibacsi (talk) 16:00, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Do they disapear when you click on the trash icon? Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:34, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I've manage to save that group of filters.

When I display last 500 edits and I want to save it, it is not possible. Is it your problem?

Yes, I wish to save it ("last 500 edits") as default filter. Misibacsi (talk) 16:00, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

It is not possible yet, but I've reported that relevant request to have it fixed :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:34, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I can't have access to your saved filters.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Structured Commons newsletter, December 13, 2017

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates

• There was a IRC Office Hour about Structured Commons on November 21. You can read the log here.
• Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd ^webchat

Things to do / input and feedback requests

A multi-licensed image on Wikimedia Commons, with a custom {{EthnologyItemMHNT}} Information template. Do you also know media files on Commons that will be interesting or challenging to model with structured data? Add them to the Interesting Commons files page.

• NEW: Participate in a survey that helps us prioritize which tools are important for the Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata communities. The survey runs until December 22. Here's some background.
• NEW: Help the team decide on better names for 'captions' and 'descriptions'. You can provide input until January 3, 2018.
• NEW: Help collect interesting Commons files, to prepare for the data modelling challenges ahead! Continuous input is welcome.
• Join the community focus group!
• Do you want to translate messages and information about Structured Data on Commons from English to your own language? Sign up on the translators page.

Presentations / Press / Events

Presentation about Structured Commons and Wikidata, at WikimediaCon in Berlin.

• Sandra presented the plans for Structured Commons during WikidataCon in Berlin, on October 29. The presentation focused on collaboration between the Wikidata and Commons communities. You can see the full video here.

Partners and allies

• We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!

Research

• Research findings from interviews and surveys of GLAM project participants are being published to the research page. Check back over the next few weeks as additional details (notes, quotes, charts, blog posts, and slide decks) will be added to or linked from that page.

Development

• The Structured Commons team has written and submitted a report about the first nine months of work on the project to its funders, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. The 53-page report, published on November 1, is available on Wikimedia Commons.
• The team has started working on designs for changes to the upload wizard (T182019).
• We started preliminary work to prototype changes for file info pages.
• Work on the MediaInfo extension is ongoing (T176012).
• The team is continuing its work on baseline metrics on Commons, in order to be able to measure the effectiveness of structured data on Commons. (T174519)
• Upcoming: in the first half of 2018, the first prototypes and design sketches for file pages, the UploadWizard, and for search will be published for discussion and feedback!

Stay up to date!

• Follow the Structured Data on Commons project on Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/34/
• Subscribe to this newsletter to receive it on a talk page of your own choice.
• Join the next IRC office hour and ask questions to the team! It takes place on Tuesday, February 13, 18.00 UTC in wikimedia-office ^webchat.

Warmly, your community liaison, SandraF (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 16:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

GCI

Hi, can you please accept if is all ok, task about documenting thanks extension. Zoranzoki21 (talk) 19:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Zoranzoki21

Since you have abandoned the task, I don't think this requires further action?

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

No. Thank you! Zoranzoki21 (talk) 15:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Letting you know

I have fixed it. I did that in response to this. Thanks.--Artix Kreiger (Message Wall) 02:25, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

If there is still the same number of subscribers, it works for me, Artix Kreiger! :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Translation right needed for ঝালমুড়ি

Recently I am doing some translation from English to Bengali , few of those articles need translator admin right. Please help. Jhalmuri (talk) 20:29, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Jhalmuri, please see RFTA. --Artix Kreiger (Message Wall) 20:53, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Spring 2018

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter and contribute to the next issue. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates

• Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd ^webchat
• Several Commons community members are working on ways to integrate Wikidata in Wikimedia Commons. While this is not full-fledged structured data yet, this work helps to prepare for future conversion of data, and helps to understand how Wikidata and Commons can work better together.
  • Thanks to Jarekt and other contributors, some Commons templates can now be filled via Wikidata: {{Creator}} (Phabricator) and {{Institution}} (Phabricator). Work is ongoing on the {{Artwork}} template (Phabricator).
  • Thanks to Mike Peel and others, Wikidata-powered infoboxes can now be added to Commons categories, with the template {{Wikidata Infobox}}. (Example)
  • Multichill is working on an experimental workflow to upload images to Commons via Wikidata (and using metadata from Wikidata). See a part of it here.

Things to do / input and feedback requests

• Join the community focus group!
• Do you want to help out translating messages about Structured Data on Commons from English to your own language? Sign up on the translators page.
• Contribute to the next newsletter.

Discussions held

• Conversation about licensing and copyright modeling.
• High-level discussion on ontology for Commons.
• Review first designs for multilingual captions.
• IRC office hour, 13 February

Events

• Wikimedia Conference, Berlin, 20-22 April (+ Learning Days 18-19 April): several sessions and workshops around Structured Commons
• EuropeanaTech Conference, Rotterdam, 15-16 May: several presentations + a full workshop day on Monday 14 May about Wikidata and Structured Commons
• Wikimedia Hackathon, Barcelona, 18-20 May: Structured Commons as a focus area.

Partners and allies

• We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!

Research

• The research about GLAM contributions to Wikimedia Commons is concluded. A blog post on the Wikimedia blog provides a summary, and you can read the full results on meta.wikimedia.org.

Development

• Prototypes will be available for Multilingual Captions soon.

Stay up to date!

• Follow the Structured Data on Commons project on Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/34/
• Subscribe to this newsletter to receive it on a talk page of your own choice.
• Join the next IRC office hour and ask questions to the team! The date for next quarter will be announced soon.

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 19:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Affiliate pages as targets

How is this on topic? Irrelevant messages make it very hard to keep the affiliates' pages in shape. --Nemo 14:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Nemo

That page is also used for announcements for all Wiktionaries. My mistake is that I should have posted it on Talk:Wiktionary/Technical improvements instead. I'll make the move.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Alright. That talk page seems better indeed. --Nemo 06:24, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Summer 2018

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter and contribute to the next issue. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates

• Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd ^webchat
• Since our last newsletter, the Structured Data team has moved into designing and building prototypes for various features. The use of multilingual captions in the UploadWizard and on the file page has been researched, designed, discussed, and built out for use. Behind the scenes, back-end work on search is taking place and designs are being drawn up for the front-end. There will soon be specifications published for the use of the first Wikidata property on Commons, "Depicts," and a prototype is to be released to go along with that.

Things to do / input and feedback requests

• A workshop on what Wikidata properties Commons will need. This workshop will be open for the entire month of July 2018 at minimum.

• Join the community focus group!
• Do you want to help out translating messages about Structured Data on Commons from English to your own language? Sign up on the translators page.
• Contribute to the next newsletter.

Discussions held

• In late February there was a discussion around how Commons generally sees data being modeled.

• The first discussion on copyright and licensing with Commons was held in March. This was a "high level" discussion, there will be a consultation later this summer about the deeper mapping of copyright and licensing in a structured way.
• In April there was an exercise for GLAM partners in metadata and ontology mapping.
• A discussion about the design for Multilingual Captions on the file page took place in May. You can still review the designs and leave feedback.
• There was an IRC office hour in June to discuss progress so far and future plans.

Wikimania 2018

• Three sessions about Structured Commons are officially scheduled for Wikimania 2018 - Cape Town, South Africa - July 2018.
  • Wikimedia Commons and GLAM needs around the world (Friday 20 July, 10:30 local time)
  • Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons and knowledge equity (Friday 20 July, 14:00 local time)
  • Design challenge workshop: How can multilingual structured metadata bring knowledge equity to Commons? (Friday 20 July, 14:30 local time)
• Structured Data on Commons is also a focus area during the Wikimania 2018 Hackathon. We will, among other things, do 'live' modelling of Wikidata properties for Commons - an offline spin-off of the community consultation taking place on wiki.

Partners and allies

• We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!
• Structured Data on Commons was presented to GLAM audiences during EuropeanaTech 2018 in Rotterdam (15 May 2018) and at the Deutsche Digitale Bibliothek Forum in Berlin (4 June 2018).

Research

Two research projects about Wikimedia Commons are currently ongoing, or in the process of being finished:

1. Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
2. Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.

Development

• Prototypes will be available for Depicts soon.

Stay up to date!

• Follow the Structured Data on Commons project on Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/34/
• Subscribe to this newsletter to receive it on a talk page of your own choice.
• Join the next IRC office hour and ask questions to the team! The date for next quarter will be announced soon.

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 21:07, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data Newsletter - Research link fix

Greetings,

The newsletter omitted two interwiki prefixes, breaking the links on non-meta wikis as you might see above. Here are the correct links:

1. m:Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
2. m:Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.

My apologies, I hope you find the corrected links helpful.

- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Here are some links about Meetei Language wikipedia

• Wp/mni
• Wp/mni/ꯃꯔꯨꯑꯣꯏꯕ ꯂꯥꯃꯥꯏ

Look what I found [Wp/mni/ꯃꯔꯨꯑꯣꯏꯕ ꯂꯥꯃꯥꯏ - Wikimedia Incubator], come and check it out!https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/mni/%EA%AF%83%EA%AF%94%EA%AF%A8%EA%AF%91%EA%AF%A3%EA%AF%8F%EA%AF%95_%EA%AF%82%EA%AF%A5%EA%AF%83%EA%AF%A5%EA%AF%8F

• Look what I found [ꯋꯥꯇꯞ ꯀꯥ ꯂꯣꯏꯅꯕ ꯂꯥꯃꯥꯏꯁꯤꯡ ꯄꯨꯝꯅꯃꯛ - Wikimedia Incubator], come and check it out!https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wp/mni

• Look what I found [Wp/mni/ꯆꯥꯖꯤꯡ ꯈꯨꯅꯧ - Wikimedia Incubator], come and check it out!https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/mni/%EA%AF%86%EA%AF%A5%EA%AF%96%EA%AF%A4%EA%AF%A1_%EA%AF%88%EA%AF%A8%EA%AF%85%EA%AF%A7

• Look what I found [Wp/mni/ꯂꯧꯁꯤꯡ-ꯀꯥꯡꯂꯣꯟ - Wikimedia Incubator], come and check it out!https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/mni/%EA%AF%82%EA%AF%A7%EA%AF%81%EA%AF%A4%EA%AF%A1-%EA%AF%80%EA%AF%A5%EA%AF%A1%EA%AF%82%EA%AF%A3%EA%AF%9F

I already have partially started translation content of some page from English.

A Mangang (talk) 10:03, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello A Mangang!

Thank you for those links. I havent found those links when searching by myself.

Would you like to be a Technical Ambassador for the Incubator instead? that would help other users to get the information about new technical deployments.

What do you think ?

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Re: I'm looking for someone interested about newcomers workflows on your wiki (Vietnamese Wikipedia)

Hello Trizek and thank you for contacted me about the ongoing plan for Help desks. I can use English but not in very fluent-skill (sometimes with help from machine translation), and I hope you can understand it well, of course I will try my best to explain in simple form. Yes, I am willing to support with the team as it will help our new members have more easy way to reach and explore Wikipedia. Some years ago, I installed on Vietnamese WP a gadget to help people report the error they found in any article which they can't fix by themself. It avaiable as button with popups to lead them report to vi:Wikipedia:Báo lỗi bài viết (Report error in articles). You can test by go to random article and check the link "Phản hồi lỗi" in the left menu bar. The idea is from Portugal and Polish Wikipedia. I wonder if this similar with the plan of WMF to deploy a button help fast report to Help desk?--minhhuy ^(talk) 16:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey minhhuy and thank you for that quick reply! :)

Our button is close to the one you have. We plan to have the button inside of the editor and to publish those questions on the Help desk. We also want to measure if it helps new people to make better edits.

If you are still interested, we will need your help to discuss about that with your community. They need to understand why we do this and how we are going to create that button. We are also working on ways to know what people do when they create an account. Here is our whole plan.

Also, please tell me if you don't understand something. English is not my first language too. :)

Thank you again, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Sure, I imagined about how the button working now and seem it will be great idea, also thank you for your understand about my language problem. About the discussion with local community, will we have any default message is going to send to Village Pump, or I will explain with them about the plan by my own words based on the whole plan page on mw? --minhhuy ^(talk) 16:41, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

minhhuy, we can do that the way you want. I will prepare a message and you could use it the way you want. I think it will be easier if you work from this message and translate it (your Vietnamese is better than mine!). Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, is there anyone who can assist us as well? I don't want you to feel overloaded. As on the wikis, it is easier to work on something if you to that more than one. :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:37, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Sound good to me about the translation, it help make sure I won't misunderstand something about the plan :^) I will call for support in the end of the message gonna send to Village Pump, but I not sure if will be have more people willing to help on this, since our another Tech Ambassador seem very busy now, and not many active people in current community have experience or interesting with cross-wiki task. Of course we can hope, and in the same time I can do my best to help on this, it would be no problem. --minhhuy ^(talk) 15:35, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello minhhuy

I've created a page explaining the three projects we would like to deploy on your wiki. Do you have questions about that page?

We are not on a cross-wiki project. The project is done on at least 3 wikis (Korean, Czech and - we expect - Vietnamese) but the experiment is separated: Vietnamese experiment will only happen on Vietnamese Wikipedia. At the end, we will see if every wikis have the same results. We will then try to understand why things work or don't work. In any case we expect your community to know more what new people want to do when they create an account. We also want new users to have a better way to ask questions to experienced users.

If you know some people on Vietnamese Wikipedia who are interested by helping newcomers or have more people working on articles, they may be interested by this project. Maybe you should contact them to explain the project? If people on Vietnamese Wikipedia are okay to have that experiment happening, that would be fantastic.

I let you contact your community if you think it is okay. You can translate or adapt the page. Please let me know when it is done. :)

Thank you again for your help! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your explain page about the project, I will make it reach to Vietnamese community as soon as possible, and yes, we have many people who willing to help newcomers and I believe Vietnamese Wikipedia will interesting with join this project. I will get back to you once I complete the message in Vietnamese, probably tomorrow. Thank you again. --minhhuy ^(talk) 15:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

You are amazing, thank you ! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:38, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

The message sent to Village Pump at w:vi:Wikipedia:Thảo luận#Kêu gọi tham gia thử nghiệm các sáng kiến giúp đỡ người mới đến, I hope we can have response soon from community. --minhhuy ^(talk) 04:27, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Great! Thank you very much, minhhuy!

I've just seen that Bluetpp has reacted asking for his role. That's simple: be okay with that experiment and, if possible, be ready to help newcomers on the help desk when the button will be added. I let you reply?

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I saw the ping, so he/she directly contact to you follow the link in message. And oops, sorry about the link to each parts, I just added them. --minhhuy ^(talk) 15:52, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

No problem. :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hello Trizek, after a week discussion, Vietnamese community get consensus about the plan for newcomers. Now what steps we will need to go and what things I can help with this? Thank you! --minhhuy ^(talk) 16:31, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello minhhuy and thank you with those very good news.

We plan to release the features we are working on on your wiki in December. In the meantime, there are some things we need from your community:

• while you have an help desk, we need to have translations of the most recent questions, with some context. This would allow us to know what are the most asked questions (and understand why they are asked) so that we can explore a different way of doing things if necessary.
• we need to know what is the history of actions taken by your community to help newcomers or other users. For instance, is there a dedicated group who improves help pages? If yes, since when?
• we need to know what are your help resources and where they are linked from (home page, every page, dedicated pages, welcome template and more).

This is not the only things we are looking for. We will have more questions to ask and more details to discover. I'm currently working on the processes for all of that, so that your community can share information with us soon the way we need it. I need to know where I can post those questions. I let you decide, with your community, on the best way to have that work posted on your wiki.

Thank you again! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:49, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Here are some summary about the working of Help desk in Vietnamese Wikipedia.

• For most recent question (last 3 month), they are about:

• Very common: ask for correcting various info in random articles (which actually should be the fuction of Report error in articles),
• Often: ask about editing tools of Wikipedia, like how to use citation template; how to use fuction hover popups to get preview contents from wikilinks; how to put a wikilinks; problem with use infobox (someone put a infobox based on English Wikipedia article, but it doesn't show because there wasn't that infobox in Vietnamese Wikipedia); how to use math wikitext (someone dont know how to write a math syntax, and we too, also dont know how to do per the request); how to upload image to Wikipedia (especially for people who still living); how to use fuction translate an article; how to write an article; what standards for an artilce can be avaiable on Wikipedia (about Notability). In short: it all about how to edit and use some fuction targeted for edit Wikipedia, and also about how to post a new content into Wikipedia (create new article, new translation from other Wikipedias language).
• Random: how to navigate Wikipedia (experience users, not newbie anymore), like ask for edit a template; ask about the difference between the nomination process for FA and GA articles; ask for peer review about the citation in an article (verifiability source or not); ask for edit "interface" of a page (layout); ask for how to check orphan pages; ask for recover an deleted article.
• Special: ask for.... un-ban a website from blacklist. Vietnamese Wikipedia have long abuse history about spam external links, so we have a very long blacklist website, and many people ask about un-ban those url.
• Also it often that people mistake the Help desk (ask to use Wikipedia) with the Reference desk (ask about random information, knowledge), though it already have a big warning in top header of the page, even in the editnotice every time they click edit page or add a new section. I guess it sometime happens, like people just skip all the guide and want to ask as fast as possible. We even rename the "Help desk" (Bàn giúp đỡ) to "Help using Wikipedia" (Giúp sử dụng Wikipedia), but it still not really prevent people ask about none-Wikipedia-related.
• These are translation with context for 6 lastest questions:

1. Will the website huongnghiepaau (dot) com is an identifying reliable source enough to make a link in "External links" section? Example: there are articles about food, cooking, then in bottom of article will it okay to put a citation link to this website? And if not, what kinds of website are ok to insert into Wikipedia? (Supporter reply that the url is not okay, because it clearly advertistment url for a company, and probably will get blocked; he forgot to answer question about "what kinds of website are ok to insert into Wikipedia?")

2. Are there anyway to make reflink the text "Facebook" to my Facebook profile? (the question not really have sense even in Vietnamese grammar, so the first supporter (me) guessed that he asked about how to citation Facebook link as a ref source, and suggest him not use those links because Facebook in almost case isn't a reliable source, unless it a official Facebook of someone or organization with blue tick badge; then second supporter seem understand about the question than me, guide him how to put wikitext to make url in alternative text)

3. Please remove website Daoconggiao.net (Christianity website) from blacklist, since we are non-profit organization whose provide useful infomation about Christianity. (None supporter help this case)

4. How to edit Wikipedia? I "have" an article Wikipedia about a person, because first time use Wikipedia, I typo the birth-year of this person. Then after I corrected birth-year, I searched on Google but Google Search show the result about that person still with previous mistake birth year meanwhile the article already updated successful. So how can I edit that infomation? Thank you. (the supporter (me) detected that the question is about Google Cache to show infomation from Wikipedia to their search result, it maybe a bit late to update all content from Wikipedia to Google, so I just simple asked the questioner report this error with Google, not Wikipedia because we just can't do anything to fix that problem, and asked him specific title of article he want to report, but no further response after that)

5. Delete an article: beside sysop, will the autopatrolled users have right to delete articles of others? Thank you. (the supporter replied that only sysop and 'elminator' (a special group in Vietnamese Wikipedia) can have permission to delete articles, autopatrolled users can't do that.)

6. Profile-Trần Toàn: our party is trying to update full verifiability sources from newspapers. Anyone can active the "sandbox" mode of this article to help our party can edit content in proper formats? Thank you. (supporter (me) replied that I dont know which article he mentioned about, since we dont have article title "Trần Toàn" yet in Vietnamese Wikipedia).

• For history of actions to help newcomers: we don't have any dedicated group to help people with their problems or improve helps pages. Several years ago, there were self-called "Supporter" group whose are people often to help in Help desk and patroll all the request/help pages to resolve issue in any articles or of any users need help. But nowadays, we do that task as spontaneous, favor works, like if we random see someone ask question in anywhere due Recent changes, and if we willing, we go to help them. Of course Help desk still a place for focus all the helper and question resouces, but we dont have a "group" who should always do that task as their role, and we still can help people as soon as possible since our help desk not really high traffic. Same with improve help pages, in random time and with random people, we customize our help pages to make it more friendly and easy to access with newcomers or people who have a question in particular aspect, but we dont have group to that, and it was done by voluntary actions in anytime they have spare times. Vietnamese Wikipedia still a low-mid size Wikipedia, we dont have many actively people everyday so the traffic of those question not really a problem (or it just because our help systems unfriendly with newcomers, who know, that why we hope after this experiment plans, we can know more about what our newcomers really want and so on).
• If you mean about the Help desk, we link to it from everywhere. In the sitenotice, the Main page, the left navigation menu bar of all pages, the Welcome message automatic sent by bots to all users even IPs. I am thinking about we should put the link even in the editor interface, but that is clearly the purpose of this experiment plans, so it more good. Almost help pages also apperance as links in the Welcome massage, and between them (like the header of our Help desk, the blue buttons guide people to each pages which maybe they can get answer for their question before they ask in there). There are some "hidden" help pages like Media copyright questions, but like I said we have low-traffic help pages and people just often use Help desk or even the article's talk page more than any help page resource.

If it necessary, you can discover more about our community in Our village bump (you also can create a subpage follow the guide in top-box then put it to the bottom of village pump). You may get more view-points about the community about newcomers problem, but I believe that I already provided for you the most overall about our activity towards to newcomers and help pages, since as you already know, we are not that big wiki ;^).

Feel free to ask me if Growth Team need any further details question about Vietnamese community, thank you! --minhhuy ^(talk) 03:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello minhhuy

Thank you for all those details! They are very useful!

I need some details: I've checked the number of pages viewed for Wikipedia:Báo lỗi bài viết and Wikipedia:Giúp_sử_dụng_Wikipedia. There are some changes and spikes time to time. Do you know why?

We also need a list the existing help ressources (see an example on this Google document) to reply to the following questions:

• What are the main help ressources you have? How many people visite those each month?
• Where newcomers can find those ressources? From the sidebar? From the welcome template? From everywhere else?

Please don't do that job alone: don't forget to involve more community members, so that you will gain time!

I want to ask more view-points about newcomers challenge. If I create a new section, it will be in English. What is the best solution: me posting in English, or you posting directly in Vietnamese (you can say I've asked you, of course)?

• What is the experience like for newcomers now? Do you think they feel welcome? Is is easy for them to find what they need? What is difficult for them to do?
• Is there some people ready to help newcomers? If yes, what do they do?
• Is the community generally in favor of many new editors? Or feel like new editors cause problems?

Thank you again for your help! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 11:15, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello minhhuy, any updates? Have you posted the questions? Do you prefer to have me posting them? Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

oops, I think I disabled the notification cross-wiki or whatever it called due mistake. Sorry for this so late reply:

• For the spikes time to time with those Report error page and Help desk, honestly I dont know what happened. In the last recent time the graph have huge change (Nov 14), there is none any promotion activites toward to those pages in Vietnamese community. Maybe it happen outside Wikipedia, like someone post link to Facebook or any social network which get a tons of people might noticed to it.
• For the Google docs, I filled all to the "Vietnamese Wikipedia" tab page
• And yes, I am willing to transle all your survey and post to the Village Pump. Do you have anymore question need to ask, since it been a long time already since your 3 old questions. --minhhuy ^(talk) 04:15, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, minhhuy.

I don't have other questions that the old ones. It would be great is you can translate the questions and post them on your village pump. Please mention me there, so that I can follow the discussion! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I tagged you in this discussion Wikipedia:Thảo luận/Các bước tiếp theo trước khi áp dụng sáng kiến thử nghiệm giúp đỡ người mới đến. --minhhuy ^(talk) 03:00, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Re: New projects

Hi, @Trizek:! I would like to know more about the projects. You can contact me if you need any help. RaymondSutanto (talk) 08:09, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello RaymondSutanto. Thank you for your message. I need to check on a couple of things before replying to you. I'll keep you posted. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

The Community Wishlist Survey

Hi,

You get this message because you’ve previously participated in the Community Wishlist Survey. I just wanted to let you know that this year’s survey is now open for proposals. You can suggest technical changes until 11 November: Community Wishlist Survey 2019.

You can vote from November 16 to November 30. To keep the number of messages at a reasonable level, I won’t send out a separate reminder to you about that. /Johan (WMF) 11:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Fall 2018 edition

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates

• Multilingual Captions, the first feature release for Structured Data, is coming in January of 2019
  • Be on the lookout for the beta testing announcement
  • Help using captions has been set up, if you'd like to go ahead and see the workflow
• Two IRC office hours were held since the last newsletter
  • Log for 4 October
  • Log for 1 November
• Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd ^webchat

Things to do / input and feedback requests

Current:

• Help determine and propose properties on Wikidata for Commons
• Review designs for structured licensing and copyright
• Join the community focus group!

Since the last newsletter:

• Review a prototype for searching structured Commons (October 2018)
• "Good coverage" for depicts tagging (Sept. 2018)
• Review and discuss mockups for displaying the new metadata section of the file page (18 September - 9 October 2018)
• Depicts statements draft requirements (14 August - 31 August 2018)
• Identify Wikidata properties that Commons will need (26 June - 14 August 2018)

Presentations / Press / Events

• Presentation by Keegan on the first features to be released for Structured Data, presented at Wikiconference North America, Columbus, Ohio, October 2018.
• Sandra presented a project update at the GLAM-Wiki conference in Tel Aviv, Israel, November 2018, as part of an update and panel discussion.
• Structured Data on Commons was the subject of a keynote presentation by Sandra (see slides) at the Baltic Audiovisual Archives Council conference in Tallinn, Estonia, November 2018.

Partners and allies

• The info portal on Structured Commons now includes a section on GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums).
• We are currently planning the first GLAM pilot projects that will use structured data on Wikimedia Commons. One project has already started: the Swedish Heritage Board researches and develops a prototype tool to provide improved metadata (translations, data additions...) from Wikimedia Commons back to the source institution. Read the project brief.
• The documentation for batch uploads of files to Wikimedia Commons will be improved in 2019, as part of preparing for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons. To prepare, the GLAM team at the Wikimedia Foundation wants to understand better which types of documentation you already use, and how you like to learn new GLAM-Wiki skills and knowledge. Fill in a short survey to provide input!

Stay up to date!

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• codesearch.wmflabs.org has been updated, with new and updated repositories and a new search options for code. [23]
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Captions in January

The previous message from today says captions will be released in November in the text. January is the correct month. My apologies for the potential confusion. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)

My apologies if this is a duplicate message for you, it is being sent to multiple lists which you may be signed up for.

Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...

Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 January or Thursday, 10 January 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:

1. Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on mediawiki.org because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
2. Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
3. Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.

Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia talk pages

What, you no longer even try to pretend that WMF develops MediaWiki with all Wikimedia wikis in mind? --Nemo 17:02, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I guess you refer to the last MassMessage I've sent. In which I have a [swearword] massive typo. -_-

[Insert a whole bunch of swears here.]

Say that I don't have all Wikimedia wikis in mind means that you don't know me at all. That's actually pretty much the opposite. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:11, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Ah! I've been there too, my condolences. :) (Indeed it surprised me even more coming from you.) Nemo 19:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Nemo. I'm still blame myself. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 08:23, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Your message

Hello, I am responding to your message here, because there is some kind of problem with your talk page there; I cannot edit it. I just noticed your message yesterday, so I spoke to a few people today and they say they want to participate. Please let us know how we can assist. Avery Jensen (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Avery Jensen, and thank you for your message.

The talk pages consultation has been setup and is ongoing. This is where we need the most efforts for now: we need to get opinions from every kind of editors we have, from total beginners to experienced users. Have diversity being visible is very important.

To achieve this, we have written down some advice. This piece of advice has been posted to various communities a few weeks ago.

If you plan to coordinate with others, maybe you could do this on the consultation's talk page, since I'm monitoring it.

Thank you for your help! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 11:01, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

We do not use talk pages for coordination. I have already made some GLAM-related comments on the consultation page speaking for myself only. If you would like feedback from our group, I can ask them. Not everyone would agree that "being visible is very important" and we try to respect that. Is there a list of questions? I see here "Questions will include..." but I don't see a final list of questions. I see also you will be looking for "StructuredDiscussions/Flow, Liquid Threads and wikitext workflows". We do not have any experience with this; the only time we had an issue with a group that used this for their talk pages, we could not communicate or understand what they were doing until we talked to them in person at Wikimania. Most of our volunteers are busy in their lives and do not have time to learn a new talk page format when they have a question for another wiki, even if the information was available. Likewise the newcomers you want information about do not know how to use talk pages, so you will not get information about them by requiring them to use a talk page for your survey. Our training time with them is very short and they usually do not learn the source editor at all. If you want to reach more Arabic language speakers you may want to try their general discussion page. Best, Avery Jensen (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

"We do not use talk pages for coordination." This statement is something we need to know more about. Why don't you use wiki talk pages for coordination? What do you miss? We are looking for what works and what don't work on current talk pages systems, and for details about reasons why.

We indeed have a list of questions. They are listed on the message I left you about starting the consultation on Arabic Wikipedia:

• When you want to discuss a topic with your community, what tools work for you, and what problems block you? Why?
• How newcomers use talk pages and what blocks them from using it?
• What do others struggle with in your community about talk pages?
• What do you wish you could do on talk pages, but can't due to the technical limitations?
• What are the important aspects of a "wiki discussion"?

I'm updated the global page on Mediawiki.org since it wasn't accurate (thank you for spotting this).

Concerning reaching at more people, I really need some help. I'm working on the global coordination of this project and my goal is to have the maximum of people participating, from every background and experience. I can't take time reaching at people on every wiki. I'm blocked by the language. And even for the languages I speak (English, French and Spanish), I've contacted some volunteers who have started and are now kindly hosting those discussions. This is why I've contacted you, to see if you could help, by asking those questions to GLAM users, or by inviting more people (especially newcomers) to participate. So can you help?

Thanks, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

First of all thank you for asking. There should be more communication between the Foundation and the trainers. I was going to let you know we would try to talk about this and see if we had any ideas for you, maybe a little later when people are rested from the Germany summit, but now I will have to ask for a rain check. I was juggling a lot of balls and I thought I had time for this too, but see this talk page discussion here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Wikimedia_Cuteness_Association_at_Wikimania_2017 I have no idea how long these last, but I find it distressing and disturbing on many levels, as it seems like this has been a recurring discussion for many years, and now I have been brought into it as well. Even though I have asked them to consolidate their requests, it seems they intend to fill up my talk page with new notification templates one by one by one by one, for who knows how many years, and I will have no time or space for anything else. So if you are making a study of talk pages, you might add this to your list. This may also help explain to you why we don't use wiki talk pages for coordination, and why we cannot discuss on wiki why we cannot discuss this on wiki. If you would like further explanation you can email me, or better yet invite us to France for consultation and don't forget the coffee and croissants. :)

Just a quick response to some of your other points:

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• Newcomers do not use talk pages because they only edit for the one day during the event, which typically lasts 3 hours, including lunch. I have not seen any new trainers since I joined, so I think we are a dying breed.
• I can't take time reaching at people on every wiki. Yes, yes, and yes. As the wikipedias become more populated with articles, people are starting to look at other language wikis to fill in knowledge gaps in their own language wiki. But there is no central place to coordinate between languages, like some kind of coffee house, either to ask a simple question or to resolve more complex situations. For instance, the question of training materials came up on the education mailing list, and we would be interested in this because we sometimes have bilinguals attend our events, but there does not seem to be a central place to share training materials.
• I'm blocked by the language. Yes again, and even if you have a rudimentary skill in the language, you are also blocked by the use of non-standard formats across wikis. You asked a question on my Arabic talk page but I had to answer you on meta because for some reason I was not able to access your Arabic talk page. There was not even a tab to "edit source" and that at least should be standard across all wikis (and without popups you have to mash at random in some strange language.) The Arabic wiki is also difficult of you are typing on a l-to-r keyboard because in preview it displays very oddly, especially the links, even if the eventual edit ends up formatted correctly. The pop-ups are very hard to navigate in another language, because you cannot copy-paste them to a translation tool. It would also be nice to have some formatting standards across the wikis, so you can do some easy tasks, like add a citation or image. Fortunately the same codes like <ref></ref> and so forth do mostly work in multiple languages, but there are exceptions and it would be nice to have a standard, or alternate multi-lingual templates. Some wikis also seem to be closed gardens, in that they have non-standard editors and formats you must learn in order to particulate.
• Responding to questions like this is very time consuming. I am very surprised that we have never seen any tech people come out to our events to see what happens for themselves and get feedback in person, or to conduct any training. We are left to discover things for ourselves and teach ourselves how to use them. If this, and the non-technical issues surrounding talk pages is something you are not able to address in your current consultation, maybe a different model is needed for consultations.

I will respond later as I can. Thank you again for your interest. Avery Jensen (talk) 19:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

thank you for your reply, Avery Jensen. If you need more time to elaborate, please take it. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:41, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Iberocoop resume

Hi, I just left the Iberocoop feedback in the technical consultation. Sorry to be late, but the real life is a mess :(. Regards Superzerocool (talk) 20:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC) (ps: thanks for spread the word: I tried three times, but I'm not a good influencer in my community :P)

Superzerocool, thank you very much for the tame you've talen to gather that feedback. It really helps us.

And sorry to be late on my reply: the real life is also a mess on my side. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:34, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Central Notice Banner Problem

Hi Trizek, the banner you recently enabled is not working correctly, at least not in monobook. See here for the example. A recent problem was fixed in the Wikimania_2019_reg_cfp banner that may help lead to a fix here as well. Can you take a look? — xaosflux ^Talk 14:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping, xaosflux. I've fixed it. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:02, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! — xaosflux ^Talk 15:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Iberocoop talk:Cómo hablamos en el movimiento/Fase 2

Veo que has iniciado la página Iberocoop talk:Cómo hablamos en el movimiento/Fase 2 referida a posibles mejoras de las páginas de discusión. Mi pregunta es si podría iniciar una nueva sección referida a una posible mejora. Se refiere a incluir en el título de las secciones, incluso en las entradas, un enlace a la versión del artículo activa en la fecha en la que se realiza la edición. ¿podría incluir esta propuesta? Un cordial saludo, Nemo (talk) 11:54, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Hola Nemo

No es posible, lo siento. La consulta es sólo sobre los puntos enumerados. La fase 1 fue sobre nuevas ideas, lamento que usted la hayas perdido.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 07:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Bueno, era una idea, en otra ocasión será. Saludos cordiales, Nemo (talk) 10:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

GLAM comments added

Hi Trizek (WMF), thank you for your patience, and thank you again for asking for input. I have added the comments from our group here. I have also been in contact with the Arabic group, but they have previous commitments with other Wikipedia projects and do not have time to look at it right now. Also their major Ramadan and Eid holiday season has just finished, so this is probably an added factor. Avery Jensen (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Avery Jensen

Thank you very much for that feedback. It is really useful.

We are going to close the consultation soon. Thank you for your help!

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:40, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

VisualEditor/Newsletter/2019/July test

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?

Every article has a pencil icon at the top. Tap on the pencil icon to start editing.

Edit Cards

This is what the new Edit Cards for editing links in the mobile visual editor look like. You can try the prototype here: 📲 Try Edit Cards.

Welcome back to the Editing newsletter.

Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

Before talking about the team's recent releases, we have a question for you:

Are you willing to try a new way to add and change links?

If you are interested, we would value your input! You can try this new link tool in the mobile visual editor on a separate wiki.

Follow these instructions and share your experience:

📲 Try Edit Cards.

Recent releases

The mobile visual editor is a simpler editing tool, for smartphones and tablets using the mobile site. The Editing team recently launched two new features to improve the mobile visual editor:

1. Section editing
   • The purpose is to help contributors focus on their edits.
   • The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
2. Loading overlay
   • The purpose is to smooth the transition between reading and editing.

Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

New and active projects

This is a list of our most active projects. Watch these pages to learn about project updates and to share your input on new designs, prototypes and research findings.

• Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now. Go here to see how: 📲 Try Edit Cards.
• Mobile toolbar refresh: This project will learn if contributors are more successful when the editing tools are easier to recognize.
• Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor? We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
• Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use. The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

Looking ahead

• Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019. They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space. Talk to the team about how editing can be improved.
• Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

Learning more

The VisualEditor on mobile is a good place to learn more about the projects we are working on. The team wants to talk with you about anything related to editing. If you have something to say or ask, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

18:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Translations

Forgot to ping you in the thread. [25] — Jeblad 12:06, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Jeblad! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Help

Hi brother, I saw before that I could take a computer from Wikimedia for free. Is this true? If so, how can I place an order? Because I no longer have a computer and I couldn't edit in Wikipedia. Greetings--PediAki (talk) 16:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello PediAki

It is the Hardware donation program. There is a process to follow though.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 07:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Flow-related request

Hi. Based on this consensus on fawiki we want to archive fa:ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه (which is a flow board), then convert its content type to wikitext and make a redirect to fa:ویکی‌پدیا:درخواست راهنمایی. I do not have the ability to change the content model of that page. I noticed that you were the person who helped us convert it into a flow board back in Jun 2017, so I thought perhaps you could help us with this request as well? Please {{ping}} me in your response here. Thanks! Huji (talk) 18:51, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Huji

Any admin can archive the Flow board, by moving the page to a sub-page. A redirect will then be created. This redirect will be a wikitext page with a redirect to the sub-page. You can edit it.

I prefer to let communities do the move themselves. But if you really need my assistance to make it happen, please ping me back.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:41, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

I tried moving fa:ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه to fa:ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی and it did not allow me to. It said I do not have the flow-create-board right (which I assume is necessary for the move). I am afraid we need your help with that move. Once the move is done, I can do the rest. Huji (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Huji, this is strange. As an admin, you should be able to do this move.

The page has 18 subpages, and the talk page has one subpage, all shown below:

• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱۰
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱۱
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱۲
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱۳
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱۴
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱۵
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱۶
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱۷
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۲
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۳
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۴
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۵
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۶
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۷
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۸
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۹
• ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/سرعنوان
• بحث ویکی‌پدیا:پرسش‌های متفرقه/بایگانی ۱

Should they be moved too?

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 07:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

There is no need to move any of those subpages. And as an admin I can move them; it is only the flow board that is the problem (and thanks for the Phab task) signature redatced

Done Huji. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you also hide the revision in which I wrote the message above? Huji (talk) 12:35, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't have such powers, Huji. You have to ask an administrators or/and an oversighter. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

The TWUG on space.wmflabs.org

Hello Trizek

A few months ago, WMF opened a new discussion space. Since our user group has some difficulties to communicate (not everyone sees the messages that are posted on Talk:Wiktionary/Tremendous_Wiktionary_User_Group), I asked for a dedicated forum for the TWUG to be opened. It's happening here (there is no topic so far).

From now on, I invite you to follow the category to be informed as soon as a new topic is created. Pamputt (talk) 18:52, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - blogs posted in Wikimedia Space

There are two separate blog entries for Structured Data on Commons posted to Wikimedia Space that are of interest:

• Working with Structured Data on Commons: A Status Report, by Lucas Werkmeister, discusses some ways that editors can work with structured data. Topics include tools that have been written or modified for structured data, in addition to future plans for tools and querying services.
• Structured Data on Commons - A Blog Series, written by me, is a five-part posting that covers the basics of the software and features that were built to make structured data happen. The series is meant to be friendly to those who may have some knowledge of Commons, but may not know much about the structured data project.

I hope these are informative and useful, comments and questions are welcome. All the blogs offer a comment feature, and you can log in with your Wikimedia account using oAuth. I look forward to seeing some posts over there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Translation

Hi, sure. I done. Zoranzoki21 (talk) 15:08, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Linking to Wikipedia namespace from non-Wikipedias

Please note this. Without the leading "w", a link from ur.wikibooks (in this case) to ":en:Wikipedia:X" will be parsed as: "go to English Wikibooks", then "go to English Wikipedia", and finally "land on article X" in the main namespace. Adding a leading "w" turns the parsing into: "go to Urdu Wikipedia", then "go to English Wikipedia", and finally land on the page "Wikipedia:X". @Kbrown (WMF): also pinging the purported author of the message in question. (I don't know which of you actually composed the links in the message.) - dcljr (talk) 02:43, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for this note, dcljr. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:30, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

DesktopImprovements banner

Hi Trizek. The DesktopImprovements banner displays broken on desktop, monbook skin for me. This is what I get: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F31551126. Could you please get it fixed? Ping to @Seddon and Seddon (WMF) as well. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 18:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi MarcoAurelio and thank you for your message. Sorry for the disturbance.

I used Seddon's template. Seddon, can you fix it? I'm off starting now, quickly replying to this message.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:36, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply. No disturbance caused. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 18:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Preprint repositories

Hello, Trizek! May I ask your comment at Wikiversity:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Preprint repository hosting invite?. A comment from someone at WMF with specific expertise would also be fine. Thanks! HLHJ (talk) 03:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello HLHJ

Can you provide me a few lines with some context and what you expect from me there?

Thanks, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:42, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, did not see notification. Could the WMF extend an invite? Might it be persuaded to offer any support? HLHJ (talk) 19:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I still don't know what you are talking about, HLHJ. The discussion on English Wikivertiy is really long and it is very difficult for me to understand what is it about. Can you provide me a summary about this discussion? Thanks, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I was unreasonably assuming some rather specialized background. I will err on the side of telling you to much now :). You may be able to skip the first paragraph.

Back in the days before the Internet, academics published papers in journals, and university libraries bought the journals, which paid for the publication. People snail-mailed each other drafts of their papers (pre-prints), and the journal would also mail them a number of free copies of their paper, which they snail-mailed to anyone they thought might want a copy, and anyone who wrote and asked for one. Then came the internet. One of the first uses of the Internet was to e-mail authors with requests for copies of academic papers, and then e-mail your academic papers to other academics. arXiv started up, hosting a database of pre-prints. Of course, eventually the publishers moved online, and these days some of them have 40% profit margins. With monopoly power to sell influential journals, publishers raised prices until the richest universities in the world can't afford all the subscriptions they want (the Serials Crisis). In the fields where arXiv use was standard, the publishers had to accept it, but they are now fighting a delaying action against a stunning variety of models for the future of academic publishing, none of which involve 40% profit margins for publishers. In developing countries, it is especially difficult; either you can't pay to publish in an journal, or you can't afford to subscribe to it (it often costs a couple thousand to publish an article in an open-access journal). So many regional pre-print servers are starting up, on a shoestring, to allow poor academics to share their work. There are some similar journals, too. More: Wikipedia:Academic journal publishing reform.

Wikiversity has a pre-print server, and a few journals. We do not have much software functionality which almost any pre-print server or journal would have (though they do not have the Mediawiki tools we do). There is good open-source software to provide this standard functionality, but it is not integrated into Mediawiki. Despite this disadvantage, the WikiJournals have an active community, and contribute high-quality content to Wikipedia. The Wikimedia wikis are, in theory, a brilliant place to do academic work. In practice, few academics use them professionally.

Recently, a bunch of shoestring academic repositories were made homeless (their former host stopped giving them free hosting). So many academic communities, with high proportion of academics in the developing world, were looking for a new home. I was asking if the Wikimedia Foundation would take an interest in trying to settle this sort of academic community in Wikiversity. Just a press release inviting them would have been very useful, and will be useful next time this happens. I, along with a fair number of other editors, think that this would be an excellent opportunity for Wikimedia; it would certainly help disseminate the sum of human knowledge, and it would really reduce systemic bias. We'd get some new editors with excellent knowledge skills. We might also get help improving our journal tools. A campaign to actively attract preprint repositories and academic journals to Wikiversity could benefit Wikiversity and have knock-on benefits for other wikis. HLHJ (talk) 03:25, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Tech News test - week 16, 2020

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now use the articletopic search word on all Wikipedias. It searches articles by topic. [26]
• You can see wiki tools in the new Tools Gallery. [27]
• You can see edits from the Wikimedia Cloud Services in a new dashboard.
• When you use filters on a history page you sometimes don't see any edits. There is a text explaining this now. Before it was just empty. [28]
• There is a new Wikimedia Technical Blog. [29]

Problems

• There was a problem with the Wikidata database last week. Some wikis went down for twenty minutes. Wikidata and other projects showed error messages. Interwiki links were not shown, some tools did not work and other problems. Some of this was fixed quickly. The developers are working on fixing the rest. [30][31][32]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from April 14. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from April 15. It will be on all wikis from April 16 (calendar).

Future changes

• Some graphs have not worked on mobile. This will soon be fixed. [33]
• The article tab on talk pages of redirects links to the target of the redirect. It could link to the redirect page itself instead. You can leave feedback on this.
• For pages using syntax highlighting, the use of the deprecated <source> tag, as well as the use of the deprecated enclose parameter, will add tracking categories.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Massmessage place

Hi, I thought why I didn't see the massmessage from yesterday in Finnish Wikipedia. I found today that it was posted in Newsletters page that nobody is actually following. More suitable place would be fi:Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (uutiset) where I just moved it. Also Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (tekniikka) or Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (sekalaista) are sometimes fine depending of the message. Stryn (talk) 15:40, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Stryn

I reused the distribution list for Tech News, because we are sure it is up to date. Thank you for moving the message at the right place!

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Consultation pour le fantastique groupe d'utilisateurs et utilisatrices de Wiktionnaire

Bonjour,

Je t’écris car tu es membre du Tremendous Wiktionary User Group avec ce compte, c'est fou, hein !

Dans le cadre du processus en cours de changement de nom de la Wikimedia Foundation, tu es le bienvenu pour participer à une prise de position collective au nom du TWUG. Y est associé une proposition de communiqué à destination de la WMF, à discuter également si le cœur t’en dis. J'imagine que tu es tenu à une certaine réserve, mais si tu veux participer à la discussion, tu es le bienvenu quand même ! Merci d’avance ! Noé (talk) 15:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Bonjour Noé

Tu comprendras que j'ai une totale réserve à ce sujet, et que je souhaite que mon nom n’apparaisse pas dans le résultat final. :)

Dans l'absolu, je pense retirer mon nom de la liste, car cela pourrait porter à confusion, malgré le fait que je suis listé comme « watcher ».

Bien à toi, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:31, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Je comprends tout à fait. J'avais d'ailleurs complété le message que j'ai posé partout en ajoutant que je me doutais que tu dirais ça. Je pense que j'ai assez suivis le processus pour préciser si des gens ont mal compris certains aspects de la discussions. Je veillerai à ne pas donner l'impression que tu as participé ou soutenu la discussion ! A une prochaine ! Noé (talk) 06:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Growth features on Italian Wikipedia

Hello, I'm ValeJappo, from the italian WIkipedia.

I think that in a few days we're going to reach the consensus.

However, many users would like to have a testing phase, and eventually change something.

So I ask you: is it eventually possible removing or changing some features locally on our wiki?

Thank you--ValeJappo (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello ValeJappo

Let me know when the consensus is reached.

We will deploy everything, and provide a test phase. Users who would manually enable the tools in their preferences will have them. When the test phase would be over, then we will make the tools available for all new accounts.

All features are interconnected. It is difficult to have part of them not being deployed, even if we can isolate the mentorship system from the suggested edits feature. However, mentorship is the best way to have interested people becoming editors.

The only possible changes would be about adding more templates to the 5 ones I asked you to identify, or changing local messages to have a more accurate guidance for newcomers. I think it is preferable share with the Growth team what are your concerns. This way, if this is actionable feedback that makes sense, we can improve the tools for everyone. We are still learning, and this is why we call our tools "prototypes"! :)

Thank you again for your help! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll let you know --ValeJappo (talk) 16:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@ValeJappo, I also monitor your community page. You can directly ping me there. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hallo, before thinking to deploy these features on the Italian Wikipedia we really need more information to discuss about it and reach consensus. Perhaps communicating this project on a noticeboard, or even the embassy and not on the talk page of only three, quite enthusiastic and young users, but none of them sysop or long term contributor, would have helped. Before anything else I think it would really be useful to have at least some basic pages (mw:Growth/Personalized first day/Newcomer homepage mw:Growth/Personalized first day/Newcomer tasks and mw:Growth/Personalized first day/Structured tasks) translated into italian so that the community can understand what we are talking about.

Please do not misunderstand me, I am in no way trying to hamper or slowing this down, I really want to reach consensus based on knowledge, at the moment a very small number of users is taking part in the discussion because it is not really clear what this is all about, let's help them to have an overall view of the project and detailed information about the single parts of it.

I'll suggest to the involved users to start to translate the listed project pages, at the moment it really seems that the difference between translation of the interface and translation of the project pages is not completely clear since they are declaring the translations as "almost completed". Please let's do things in a proper way even if it takes some more time, do you have other suggestions about what we should translate to have better docu and information on this? --Civvì (talk) 21:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Civvì

Thank you for your message!

I contacted these users because they were identified as being very active on welcoming newcomers. This is the approach I use with other communities, without any issues. I asked them to help me to have the features being deployed and how they can help me. It led, as you noticed, to a very enthusiastic reaction where they started the process. But no one can blame people from being bold and enthusiastic on Wikipedia. :) If it is a problem, have you discussed about it with them? You say they are young, and maybe they still need some guidance. On my side, I should have been more specific about introducing the features to the community. I'm really sorry about this, but it went well for other communities I'm currently working with.

I totally understand and respect your point of view. Let me help you the best way I can. Translations being "fully completed" apparently refers to the interface. Some documentation pages may remain untranslated. One of the best pages to know more about the features is the Feature summary, but it is already fully translated in Italian. Some other useful pages are listed on Phabricator.

I'm also fully available to provide you the information you would need to feed the discussions. Let me know! :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

Hi greetings, I've started a discussion regarding tech news delivery at Talk:Tech/News. I humbly request you to participate in it. Thank you.--Path slopu (talk) 04:20, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Translation Tech News

Hi greetings, would you mind marking new tech news Tech/News/2020/31 for translation? There were some changes occurred after you have marked it. Thank you.--Path slopu (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping, @Path slopu. Done. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:16, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

You haven't done it. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:21, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Quiddity now has, so this is resolved. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 06:52, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz, I did it when asked by Path slopu. By the time you asked me to do it (not that nicely, alas), I was offline for the week end. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 08:36, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm confused. According to the log, you did mark it for translation at 16:16. Fuzzybot made this edit to the Dutch version, but that didn't include the change to the source[34] I made at 14:59. Fuzzybot only updated that[35] at 20:30, when Quiddity marked the page for translation. The link I fixed[36] at 14:51 also wasn't updated by Fuzzybot until 20:30. Is this is a bug somewhere? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 08:48, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Trizek marked the version for translation, but there's a bug in the translation tool (or jobqueue whatever), so sometimes need to make a dummy edit and mark again for translation to propagate the latest change to all translatable pages, see phab:T255334. Stryn (talk) 08:57, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

-_- These bugs are painful. Thank you for looking at it, Stryn. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Stryn! Trizek: I think I initially hadn't looked at any logs, I just tried to update the Dutch translation and noticed the link was still broken and the translatewiki item was still there. So I was a bit annoyed that seemingly you said you had marked the page for translation without actually doing so. But you did, and it was just a bug. -_- Sorry!

I probably also looked at the history which often has "Marked this version for translation" edits, but now I understand that this doesn't have to be the case and I should look at the log instead. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:00, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

Hi greetings, I've started a discussion regarding tech news notifications at Talk:Tech/News#Tech news notifications. I humbly request you to participate in it. Thank you.--Path slopu (talk) 10:35, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Important: maintenance operation on September 1st

Hi! You left a warning about that on Spanish Wikipedia. Some users have expressed the opinion that some more information campaign is needed. That is because a lot of editors do not follow cafés, village pumps, tavernes and similar places. In my opinion, a banner is more than justified this time. B25es (talk) 06:48, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello B25es, and thank you for your message!

A banner will be set on all wikis 30 minutes before the operation. However, you are free to create your own banner for your community.

-- Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:30, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Just wondering why the Mass Message had been posted around the Bots talk page? Seems it is irreverent to bot operations, instead it should be posted onto the Technical Village Pump or its equivalent. Shinjiman (talk) 01:37, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Shinjiman, bots will be impacted. In fact, any service that has to deal with editing could be impacted. I prefer to have this message being posted at multiple places (including village Pumps) instead of having people not being happy because they were not monitoring "the right place". Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:09, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Banner tweaked for monobook

FYI: Special:Diff/20414118. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:58, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Xaosflux, thank you. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:40, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Trizek, could you please remove the banner 7 days later? It is still everywhere on de.wikipedia.org. Thanks, --Polarlys (talk) 20:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Polarlys

This is strange. Sorry you experience this!

I checked on the configuration and nothing is supposed to be displayed on any wiki. I just visited de.wikipedia.org and saw nothing, both being logged-in (with two accounts) and logged-out. I had a banner for Wiki loves Monuments instead, as currently scheduled. There are test banners for the fundraising that may appear as well. But none is about the maintenance operation I warned people about.

For what I see, you are apparently the only person reporting this. Could it be a cache issue on your browser? Do you still see the banner when you are logged-out (using incognito mode for instance), or if you use a different browser?

Let me know! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:12, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, there were several people complaining on the site linked from the banner as of yesterday. For whatever reason: The banner is gone now for me too. I saw it when being logged in with Firefox. Thanks, --Polarlys (talk) 19:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Polarlys, is the banner still visible? Can I see the reports from other users somewhere? This would help for further investigations. Thanks, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:06, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2020 submission

Dear Benoît,

On behalf of the Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2020 programme committee, I am pleased to inform you that your submission "Help your community grow!" has been accepted as a panel and it was scheduled for 17:30 (UTC) on Friday, 2 October (see the draft schedule). If you have not yet registered for the conference, please follow the instructions on this page. In case you have any additional requests or questions, do not hesitate to contact me or any other committee member.

Best regards. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:20, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for these good news Kiril Simeonovski! :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:22, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanking the translators

You forgot to thank the translators. *sniff* I've gotten used to the thanks for creating the translated page. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:04, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I've just given thanks for the creation of the translated pages btw. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh! Alexis Jazz, which page are you referring to? I thanked Tech News translators, that's my most recent translation coordination work. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 08:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

See [37], but this doesn't seem to be written down anywhere. Johan (WMF) always thanks for the creation of translations, like [38]. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 13:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Ha, I didn't knew Johan does this. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

problem

dear sir please solve my problems.

1.in wikisource (Telugu) I could not find the pagae layout properly. OCR page is up(left) scaned page is down. the page lay out is not proper. 2.as suggested I pressed the second button in accudiddu upakaranalu then a zoomed copy of scaned page appeared. 3. I could not type or correct in the ocr page in Telugu and I couldnot type in telugu either here or in discussion page., hence I am writing this in ebnglish. In view of the proofreadthan kindly resove the problem early. Bhaskaranaidu (చర్చ) 06:38, 2 నవంబరు 2020 (UTC)

Hello Bhaskaranaidu

I'm not familiar at all with Wikisource. I suggest that you ask for help on Talk:Wikisource Community User Group, where other Wikisource experienced users may help you.

Good luck! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Bots on enwiki

Bonjour Benoît, en parcourant les archives de en:Wikipedia talk:Bots/Archive 22 sur enwiki, j'ai remarqué que plusieurs messages sont postés sur en:Wikipedia talk:Bots. Ça serait en fait mieux s'ils étaient plutôt postés sur en:Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard dans le futur, étant donné que c'est la page central pour les discussion concernant les bots sur enwiki.

Est-ce que ça serait possible de mettre à jour les mailing lists concernées?

Headbomb (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Bonjour Headbomb

Merci pour ce retour.

J'ai mis à jour la liste de distribution, en en créant une spécifique. Bien entendu, la bonne page pour la Wikipédia en anglais y a été intégrée.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:12, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Grand merci! Headbomb (talk) 12:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Il manquait ceci je crois. Headbomb (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Merci Headbomb. J'avais la tête ailleurs, je crois. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia Wikimeet India 2021 Submission selected

Hello Trizek (WMF),

Greetings from Wikimedia Wikimeet India 2021 organizing committee. We are glad to inform you that your submission is selected and it would be great to have your session.
Submission: Help your community grow
Date and time: Friday, 19 February, 12:55 - 13:15 UTC

For any query or support assistance, please write to our email at wmwmcis-india.org

Regards,

Jayanta (CIS-A2K) (talk) 16:13, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Wikimedia Wikimeet India 2021 organizing member

Tech News test - week 09, 2021

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Wikis using the Growth team tools can now show the name of a newcomer's mentor anywhere through a magic word. This can be used for welcome messages or userboxes.
• A new version of the VideoCutTool is now available. It enables cropping, trimming, audio disabling, and rotating video content. It is being created as part of the developer outreach programs.

Problems

• There was a problem with the job queue. This meant some functions did not save changes and mass messages were delayed. This did not affect wiki edits. [39]
• Some editors may not be logged in to their accounts automatically in the latest versions of Firefox and Safari. [40]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 March. It will be on all wikis from 4 March (calendar).

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Test board

@Trizek (WMF) [41] We need to delete the discussion board [42] from ruwiki. We're going to disable the extension phab:T282132. This discussion was one of two test pages. The first board was removed a few years ago [43], and this board remains in the archive. This is no longer needed, and the comments have already been converted to a wikitext page [44]. How to delete? Need to detach a board from a page? Can you delete this page? Sunpriat (talk) 10:58, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Sunpriat, if you already made the conversion to wikitext, any admin can delete this page. If you need more assistance, please comment on the Phabricator task. Thank you! :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Trizek (WMF) Do we need to switch the page content model from "flow-board" to "wikitext" first? (considering that the extension may be removed in the future). I asked one administrator, but he could not quickly find how to delete this page. This page was created a long time ago by hand by DannyH (WMF) - is it possible to delete it in the usual way? What actions and where should the admin take to remove it? Sunpriat (talk) 10:43, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Sunpriat, one can edit the URL to add action=delete. Let me know if it is working. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:09, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

@Trizek (WMF) The admin managed to delete the page with the board. But there are many topics left visible if anyone opens the link [45] e.g. [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] Do we need to delete all topics or will they still remain so visible? Deleting themes can help delete the extension, or does it not matter what state the themes are in? Sunpriat (talk) 16:18, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Sunpriat, you can delete the different topics if you need to, but I think deactivating the extension will do the job.

It is better to discuss about this at phab:T282132: you will find there more skilled people than I am (and I'm off for two weeks starting tonight). Thank you for your understanding. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 11:26, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Growth Newsletter delivery test

Welcome to the eighteenth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

Structured tasks

A screenshot of "add a link" feature in development in beta.

"Add a link" is now being tested in production and is nearing release on our four pilot wikis (Arabic, Czech, Vietnamese, and Bengali Wikipedias). We'll be doing final tests this week and next week, and then plan to deploy to the four wikis either during May 24 week, or May 31 week. After two weeks, we will analyze the initial data to identify any problems or trends. We expect that this feature will engage new kinds of newcomers in easy and successful edits. If things are going well after four weeks, we'll progressively deploy it to the wikis with Growth features.

News for mentors

Mockup of the Mentor dashboard.

• We are currently working on a Mentor dashboard. This special page aims to help mentors be more proactive and be more successful at their role. The first iteration will include a table that shows an overview of the mentors current mentees, a module with their own settings, and a module that will allow them to store their best replies to their mentees questions.
• We've conducted our quarterly audit on Growth's four pilot wikis to see the activity of mentors. It appears that the vast majority of mentors are active.

Community configuration

Community configuration editing form under development

We are working on project to allow communities to manage the configuration of the Growth features on their own. In the past, communities have needed to work directly with the Growth team to set up and alter the features. We plan to put this capability in the hands of administrators, through an easy-to-use form, so that the features can be easily tailored to fit the needs of each community. While we developed it initially for Growth features, we think this approach could have uses in other features as well. We'll be trying this on our pilot wikis in the coming weeks, and then we'll bring it to all Growth wikis soon after. We hope you check out the project page and add any of your thoughts to the talk page.

Scaling

• Growth features are now available on 35 wikis. Here is the list of the most recent ones: Romanian Wikipedia, Danish Wikipedia, Thai Wikipedia, Indonesian Wikipedia, Croatian Wikipedia, Albanian Wikipedia, Esperanto Wikipedia, Hindi Wikipedia, Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia, Japanese Wikipedia, Telugu Wikipedia, Spanish Wikipedia, Simple English Wikipedia, Malay Wikipedia, Tamil Wikipedia, Greek Wikipedia, Catalan Wikipedia.
• A new group of Wikipedias has been defined for the deployment of Growth features. Please contact us if you have questions about the deployment process, or if your community likes to get the features in advance.
• After discussion with the English Wikipedia community, the Growth features will be tested on a small percentage of new accounts. At the moment, registered users can test the features by turning them on in their preferences.

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15:19, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Images in mass messages

Hi Trizek! Thanks for the newsletter. It was exciting to hear about all the coming features and I'm especially excited for the link recommendations. I just wanted to ask that next time, if you're going to include a lot of images, could you include <div style="clear:both;"></div> at the end? The images in this recent newsletter bled into my other messages and messed with the formatting, so adding that HTML at the end forces the parser to add the next section after the last photo rather than having them overlap. If there's some technical or policy reason not to, it's no big deal, but I thought it might be helpful feedback. Best! Wugapodes (talk) 02:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Wugapodes, and thank you for your message.

To be totally transparent with you, a while ago in a previous MassMessage, I inserted the options to clear floating images, and I had feedback from users who told me not to do this because it creates a big blank space. :)

I'm not aware of any policies about it, I'm pretty sure we don't have any, but I'm sure that there is no consensual way to satisfy everyone about this! :D

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:36, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

No worries then, it's not a big deal for me to manage my own talk page formatting. Thanks for giving it some thought. Wugapodes (talk) 17:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

test "Add a link" on Hungarian WP

Hello

hu:Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki)#[please test] "Add a link"

I just finished the Hungarian translation of your message. Most of it I created with DeepL software which is a machine translator and it gives quite good quality text into Hungarian.

I recommend using it for simple texts. Then you should insert the original inks! (if you translate the links, they will be broken).

You may try it yourself. DeepL has a capability to translate about 27 languages (if I remember well). So, not all wikis will have it. It has a limit of 5000 characters, but for a longer text you may select a shorter part, then do it further.

--Misibacsi (talk) 16:15, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Misibacsi

Thank you for your message, and the translation you've made.

I use DeepL a lot, but only for languages where I know about the quality of the translation. Now, I know it will work for Hungarian. Thank you for the tip!

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:52, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Maybe before the DeepL machine translated text you can add: "Please check if the text grammatically correct and understandable", or similar. In my experience DeepL does a quite good work, maybe it is 90% correct or more. You may put the English version, too, then it is easier to check if the translation is good. --Misibacsi (talk) 20:24, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Help:CentralNotice

Hi Trizek,

On this page you added the following:

• • For example if Projects is set to wikipedia and language is set to es only visitors to es.wikipedia.org will receive a banner.
  • For example if Projects is set to meta and wikipedia, and language is set to es , only visitors to es.wikipedia.org and visitors of meta.wikimedia.org displaying their pages in Spanish will receive a banner.

I am not sure this is fully correct: as I have been taught, the language code refers to the code for the personal language settings. If the project Wikipedia and the language es is selected, the user who have their Mediawiki settings set to Spanish will see the banner on every Wikipedia they will visit. en-wp, de-wp, or ceb-wp all the same. Is you want to target only the es-wp, it is advised to use the es-wp SiteNotice, not the Meta Central Notice.

I am hoping to move forward in creating a Central Notice help for dummies, if you would like to help, please let me know! I think it would be wise to separate a settings-manual for people that work with the CN-banners (CN admins, stewards, WMF employees), and people that request the banners: it might otherwise cause an abundance of information to combine the two, but you are right that this kind of information is wanted! Ciell (talk) 08:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ciell, thank you for your message.

I think my sentence is unclear. :) The key point is meta there, as selecting meta and wikipedia, and language is set to es would indeed only display the message at MEtawiki for users who set Spanish as their personal language setting for this wiki. My point is to document the fact that if you want to target everyone at Meta and everyone at Spanish Wikipedia, then you have to creat two separate campaigns instead of selecting meta and wikipedia, and es as a language.

Do you see what I mean? If so, how can we document it better?

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:47, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

As I always understood (but maybe I've been wrong all this time) targeting wikipedia, meta and es (to stick with your example) means you will be targeting everyone who has

a) set their language preferences to Spanish,

b) visits any Wikipedia project

c) or the Meta project.

From this I can conclude that you indeed need two separate campaigns if your want to target all languages for Meta, and only Spanish users for the Wikipedia projects.

But for your first example, to only target the Spanish Wikipedia (and for instance not seeing the same banner on the English Wikipedia when you did set you preferred language to Spanish) people will for instance need include country targeting, or as an alternative use the Spanish Wikipedia Site Notice. Have I been misunderstood all along? I am very eager to get this right, thanks so much for replying! Ciell (talk) 20:20, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ciell, a quick message over a busy week: I'll reply in details next week. :) Stay tuned! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Trizek, thank you so much for helping. And the Google Doc FAQ for CN n00bs can for sure wait. But Wednesday Sept 1st the banners for WLM 2021 will be going live, and this year we've asked to put a diet in place for these banners - they never had and were always shown all the time for the full month. We thought we talked through the details quite thoroughly, but this setting could possibly be a big game changer in the diet that we (I and another CN admin) proposed should be used.

It would be great if you can take some time this week to at least help us out so we can set up the diet for the WLM campaign in a proper way - I am not requesting your help before Wednesday, but before the weekend would be very much appreciated: all the rest is for any spare time you have whenever. Ciell (talk) 22:19, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Trizek, just a small reminder about my question. Ciell (talk) 18:24, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Pinging again? Ciell (talk) 18:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ciell

I'm really sorry about the late reply. I have tons of work to do, and CentralNotice is not at the top of my list of duties. :/

Regarding the combination of languages and projects, I got the information from Seddon, who worked with the Fundraising team. This team is the prime user of CentralNotice.

If you need to target Spanish Wikipedia only, you are limited to people who visit es.wp AND have set their language as Spanish. This is how I understand it, and I think it works: I don't get local banners when I visit different wikis, since my language is set to English everywhere.

I'm not how it would impact the discussion you have about WLM banners. I skimmed the conversation, and I didn't find anything that looks like a language-based blocker.

Best, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:12, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi, jfyi: Seddon clarified the Help page a bit more, so it seems both our reasoning were right? Ciell (talk) 19:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for the ping, Ciell. I think you are right, and I'm even more confused now! I will have to check on my templates and the processes I documented. :D Trizek (WMF) (talk) 19:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with a localized template that shows English only

Hi @Trizek (WMF) The template Template:DoNotTranslate is localized into Arabic, but when I visited Tech/Server switch/ar I saw that the template shows in English. I think usually the choice is made automatically based on page language. I have visited French, Magyar, and Suomi versions of the Server Switch page, which show the English version of the template as well. Would you be able to look into this matter or advise who might help with this issue? Thanks. Haytham Abulela ^talk 21:28, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Haytham_abulela

Usually, the template should be using {{TNT}}.

Here is the problem: I need to keep this template on the page, because we are still working on the content of the message. If I edit the template to use the TNT template, I would have to mark the page for translation! Which would make the template useless. :)

I think we will have to patiently wait for the end of my work to see the template working on other pages. Sorry. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Personalized First Day in Romania

Hi @Trizek (WMF) thanks for the discussion on Personalized First Day in Romania. We have plans to focus some activities for future Learning circles on it. I am thinking to also use this in one time meetings with possible new editors. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by ‪Klaul (talk)

Hi Klaul, thank you for your message. Let me know how can I help you there! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Update to commentlinks.js gadget

I am about to update my comment links gadget to link the comment's timestamp rather than add a separate [ link ] button. If you prefer the old style, that gadget will be available at commentlinks-v1.js. As before, this gadget is experimental and may stop working at any time, see T275729 for the task to make this a proper feature. Thanks, ESanders (WMF) (talk) 12:12, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

wmf:Resolution:Licensing policy

I wonder if you have permission to edit on wmf:? I would like to ask you to help me translate this resolution page into Vietnamese. P/s: I was Vanhdeeptryy who help translate some missing messages at vi:Thảo luận Wikipedia:Dự án Phát triển cộng đồng/Danh sách thành viên cố vấn. Tryvix1509^Discussion 11:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Tryvix1509, I don't have permission these, and I actually don't know how to translate at this wiki. You should leave a message at wmf:Wikimedia talk:Babel. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:57, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, It's me. Since you are a bureaucrat on translatewiki.net, can you help me rename my account on it, from "Vanhdeeptryy" to "Tryvix1509"? Reason: To sync with Wikimedia projects. Thanks! Tryvix1509 (talk) 07:12, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Tryvix1509

As translatewiki?net is a different website, you should ask for this change at https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support

Regards, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:32, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

ligurian wiki (lij.wikipedia.org)

Hi, would you mind substituting the message you wrote in Italian with the (probably original) message in English? That page (Wikipedia:Community portal (comunicaçioìn in ingléize) at https://lij.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal_(comunicaçioìn_in_ingléize) is reserved for messages in English. Thanks! Luensu1959 (talk) 09:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Luensu1959, and thank you for the ping.

I switched the message to English. I must say it is an very unusual request, as I'm more used to messages asking me to provide messages in the local language.

For the future, I have a dilemma: if a message is translated in English, it should go to the page you linked, but if it is in Italian (or, even better, in Ligurian), if should go elsewhere, right? If so, we have a technical limitation: the distribution system can't find select a different page depending on the existence of translations. Actually, the distribution system selects the language configured for the wiki. If we select a different page for all messages, and I send to your wiki the message in English to a page welcoming messages in Ligurian or Italian, you'd probably ask me to move the message to a different place... Same problem, once again. 🤔

The most important thing is that you read the message. Can I rely on you to share the information about the read-only time with your communities ?

Thank you, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Trizek, thanks for your clear explanation. Like you said, the most important thing is that we read the message! We administrators (five on the all) can read and speak English including a number of usual contributors. Sometimes, admins from the Italian Wiki translate the texts and place them in the community page in Ligurian here as Italian is used as a default language on our Wiki. With this system we did not detect any problem so far. All the best, Luensu1959 (talk) 09:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

The message was translated in Italian, but apparently the distribution message system didn't detected Italian. I would not be able to copy the message in Italian next time, as I distribute it automatically to +1,000 pages.

A solution: if you have time, you can translate the message I send. It is a reusable message, used every time we have this server switch, designed to have minimal changes in time. You would then get the message translated in Ligurian every time! :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia apps newsletter-April 2023

Welcome to the first edition of the Apps newsletter!

This newsletter informs you about new features, updates, or improvements to the Wikipedia mobile apps. It will be sent every two months, with a brief description of the updates and work progress we have been through.

iOS

From January to April 2023:

Since January, we have finished our work on edit notices, custom block messages, and abuse filter messages. Those features were released in 7.2.0 on March 13. Check here for detailed information.

Android

From January to April 2023:

Since January, we've been completing our experiment with machine-generated article descriptions, refined our feature of shareable reading lists, and begun work towards adopting IP masking functionality. Check here for detailed information.

Office hours

The first Apps office hour was held on the 23rd of March 2023; detailed information about the announcement, agenda, and even the record and presentation deck can be found here.

Community meetings

• We enjoyed meeting the Dagbani user group for a one-hour meeting and answering all of their question about Wikipedia’s mobile applications and how to use them for reading, searching, and editing. The community users expressed that they care about having more offline usage capabilities, and a new section related to this topic will be added to the Apps FAQ soon.

• With pleasure, we had a meeting with the Commons volunteers to explore possibilities for collaboration between them and the apps team within the foundation. We reached an agreement to intervene in critical situations with the play store to ensure that the Commons app remains accessible online.

We are excited and willing to arrange meetings with other community members who are interested. You may also contact us at aramadan@wikimedia.org to arrange such gatherings. ;)

Exciting news: iOS is currently developing a watchlist feature. Stay tuned for our next newsletter release to learn additional details about it.

You can subscribe to this newsletter from here.

-- ARamadan-WMF 14:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Four Updates on the Private Incident Reporting Project

Hello everyone. Sorry to use English. Please help translate to your language.

For the past couple of months the Trust and Safety Tools team has been working on finalising Phase 1 of the Incident Reporting System project.

The purpose of this phase was to define possible product direction and scope of the project with your feedback. We now have a better understanding of what to do next.

1. We are renaming the project as Incident Reporting System
2. We have some feedback from researching some pilot communities to share with you
3. We have updated the project’s overview
4. We have the first iteration of the reporting extension ReportIncident

Please visit the project's update page to get more details.

On behalf of Trust & Safety Tools Team –– STei (WMF)

12:23, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Your wiki will be in read-only soon

Read this message in another language • Please help translate to your language

The Wikimedia Foundation will switch the traffic between its data centers. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to do a planned test. This test will show if they can reliably switch from one data centre to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

All traffic will switch on 20 September. The test will start at 14:00 UTC.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop while the switch is made. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

• You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Wednesday 20 September 2023.
• If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

• Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
• We expect the code deployments to happen as any other week. However, some case-by-case code freezes could punctually happen if the operation require them afterwards.
• GitLab will be unavailable for about 90 minutes.

This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule. There will be more notifications about this. A banner will be displayed on all wikis 30 minutes before this operation happens. Please share this information with your community.

Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 08:29, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Trizek (WMF): How long will maintenance last? Croatia 925 (talk) 13:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello

Usually, a few minutes. It is done now. :) Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 14:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Growth News, April 2024

The Growth team will now send quarterly reports to keep you in the loop. Growth team weekly updates are available on wiki (in English) if you want to know more about our day-to-day work.

If you want to receive more general updates about technical activity happening across the Wikimedia movement (including Growth work), we encourage you to subscribe to Tech News.

Community Configuration

Growth features are currently configurable at Special:EditGrowthConfig. This quarter we are working on making Community Configuration accessible for other MediaWiki developers while also moving Growth feature configuration to the new CommunityConfiguration extension.

An early version of Community Configuration can be tested at Spanish Beta Wikipedia. We plan to release the new Community Configuration extension to pilot wikis (Arabic and Spanish Wikipedia) in early May, 2024. The first non-Growth team feature to utilize Community Configuration will be Automoderator.

In parallel with the development, the Growth team will propose Community Configuration usage guidelines, Community Configuration design guidelines, and provide technical documentation.

Experiment Results

Add a Image experiment analysis results The Growth team conducted an experiment to assess the impact of the “Add an Image” structured task on the Newcomer Homepage's "Suggested Edits" module. This analysis finds that the Add an Image structured task leads to an increase in newcomer participation on the mobile web platform, particularly by making constructive (non-reverted) article edits:

• The likelihood that mobile web newcomers make their first article edit (+17.0% over baseline)
• The likelihood that they are retained as newcomers (+24.3% over baseline)
• The number of edits they make during their first two weeks on the wiki (+21.8% over baseline)
• A lower probability of the newcomers' edits will be reverted (-3.3% over baseline).

Personalized praise experiment results

This feature was developed for Mentors as part of the Growth team's Positive Reinforcement project. When A/B testing on Spanish Wikipedia, we found no significant impact on retention, but we found a significant positive impact on newcomer productivity. However, we concluded that the results weren’t positive enough to justify the time investment from Mentors. We plan to discuss this feature with our pilot wikis, and consider further improvements before scaling this feature further. Meanwhile, communities willing to test the feature can ask to have it deployed. (T361763)

English donors encouraged to try editing

As in previous years, donors were directed to a Thank you page after donation (example). However, this year we tested a new “Try editing Wikipedia,” call to action on the Thank You page. This call to action linked to a unique account creation page. From this account creation page we were able to track Registrations and Activation (editing for the first time). During the English banner campaign, the Donor Thank you page led to 4,398 new accounts, and 441 of those accounts went on to constructively edit within 24 hours. (T352900)

Future work

Annual Plan

The Growth team and the Editing team will work on the WE1.2 Key Result in the coming fiscal year. We will start initial discussions with communities soon to help finalize our plans. (T361657)

Newcomer Homepage Community Updates module

We plan to A/B test adding a new Community Configurable module to the Newcomer Homepage that will allow communities to highlight specific events, projects, campaigns, and initiatives. We are early in the planning phase of this project that will take place first at our pilot wikis and wikis volunteering. We welcome community feedback on initial designs and plans, in any language at our project talk page.

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18:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Audio Player

Hello, Trizek, do you know how to embed this audio into mediawiki? in CSS, where js should I use Template:Style.css? Exampl:  ?

Link 1 : goo.su/Nvp0N

Link 2 : goo.su/LQDNtEH

Siquad (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Siquad, sorry for the late reply as I was on vacation.

The only way is to have this audio is to upload it on Wikimedia Commons. It must be a file you made, not one you found online.

Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 13:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit check stats

Hello! During the discussion about enabling the edit check on plwiki, some users said that it would be interesting to see how this tool affected newcomers. I believe people would be interested in data and statistics like these: mw:Edit_check#Experiments. I know that our case is a tad different, since there's no A/B testing and the tool is enabled for all users. But still, do you know if it would be possible to have some stats about the influence of the edit check generated for us in the future (like half a year or so)? Cheers, tufor (talk) 16:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello tufor

Sorry for the delay responding. I'll ask which solutions we have.

Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 13:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

@Tufor, which kind of metrics your community would like to have access to? At the moment, we can provide the number of edits that were eligible to add a references, the ones that triggered the prompt and the number of citations added. You can explore these numbers at https://eccheck.toolforge.org/ Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 14:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for the delayed response. During the discussion, we had some vague comments about the stats; one person mentioned it would be interesting to see how the tool affected the number of references newcomers have added to articles. This data would be useful if we decide to evaluate the tool's impact in the future. However, I think we can make do with the site you’ve linked and the edit tags. I don't believe the stats are important enough to assign WMF programmers to focus on them; IMHO they should rather concentrate on other tasks to improve the tool, like phab:T372363. Cheers, tufor (talk) 09:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

(Let's assume that delays between responses are a feature for now. :p)

Would tags added to checks, shown in in Recent Changes be enough? There is a tag for the case where the condition to trigger References Check is true and one for when a citation was added through the References Check process.

Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 13:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Without longer delay ;) The tags are already shown when the tool is activated and then when user declines to add reference. It would be good to have a tag that tells us when the reference was added, however currently editcheck-newreference is of no use in that regard (shows all references added by people using VE, not by those who were shown the prompt). One could assume that when the editcheck-references-activated tag is present but any of the editcheck-reference-decline-... tags are not, then a reference has been added. However it is not always the case. So, yes, having a tag that shows that a reference was added after seeing the prompt would be IMHO useful. One more stat that I consider important would be: how many users gave up on their edit after seeing the prompt. It would be nice to know, but like I said, it is not that important at the moment; the bug fixes are. Cheers, tufor (talk) 22:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC) PS. When you answer, please ping me; I am not that active on meta.

Oh, okay, nevermind; searching for edits with both editcheck-references-activated and editcheck-newreference tags should give me a list of edits with references added with this tool. tufor (talk) 08:15, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

;) Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 11:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Why is Wikipedia not allowing me to save edits?

I already know that the page is down, but why can't I save userboxes that I added to my page? Thanks BryceM2001 (talk) 15:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @BryceM2001,

At 15:00 UTC today, we had a maintenance operation. During this time it was not possible to save changes on any page (articles, user page,... all pages). Was it during this time that you had the issue?

If not, I'll need more details to understand what you were trying to do, and where.

Thanks, Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 15:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok thank you so much.

Yes I had the issue before it was resolved.

I was trying to go on my userpage and edit the userboxes that I added.

BryceM2001 (talk) 18:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)