Gmail.com redesign leaks, looks pretty incredible

l27

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I find I have a lot of trouble reading through e-mail threads in Gmail. The older parts of the threads always seem to jumble the response with prior quotes.

It's one area where I find Outlook.com / Hotmail is much easier to use as it does a good job of collapsing prior messages to only show the response part of that e-mail.

This is something that almost pushes me over the edge to change email providers. If it wasn't such a pain in the ass to change email addresses I would have been gone years ago. Not to mention the creepy ads that just happen to start showing up or SPAM that shows up because of an email conversation you had with someone. That almost makes me want to setup my own email server.
 
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YodaMcFly

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I like the additional contrast for most elements, but the reduction of contrast in the compose modal is a bit frustrating. As others noted, as eyes age, it becomes more difficult to make out that a line is even present. And if you are on a lower-quality screen, you can often times only see the lines if you change the angle of the screen. Combine a crappy screen with degraded vision, and those lines vanish.
End-stage skeuomorphism was leather texture and painted-on spiral-bound rings.

End-stage minimalism will be a pure white touchscreen where you just write pseudocode to tell the interface what you want it to do :)
Don't you mean a pure black screen where you write code in green text?
Actually, amber ...
 
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Gmail.com is getting Smart Replies, which offer up machine-learning-generated replies to your emails that you can send with a single click.

I wonder how long before people are removed from the email equation entirely and we just have machines emailing each other.
Re: re : re : re : re : re : re : re : re : re : re Automatic reply Out of office

You forgot the "This email is confidential and blah blah blah" signatures a lot of people append to each. And every. goddamned. Email. Resulting in threads that are 95% useless "confidentiality notice" garbage.

And I know I don't speak for only myself when I say:

About fuckin' time I can schedule something in the same tab as Gmail!

Blame lawyers for that.

I would say a combo of people thinking they know the law and erring on the side of caution. It's my understanding that, unless my signature has graced a legally binding document, that notice is toothless and good for scaring people into compliance and that's it. I leak a damaging email from my employer, where I signed an NDA? Yeah, better make sure it's not traced back to me. I post something on Twitter, Reddit, Ars and didn't sign anything? Oh well! Being harassed by companies whose legal team is funded more per year than I will make in 100 lifetimes is another matter, of course...
 
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Gmail.com is getting Smart Replies, which offer up machine-learning-generated replies to your emails that you can send with a single click.

I wonder how long before people are removed from the email equation entirely and we just have machines emailing each other.
Re: re : re : re : re : re : re : re : re : re : re Automatic reply Out of office

You forgot the "This email is confidential and blah blah blah" signatures a lot of people append to each. And every. goddamned. Email. Resulting in threads that are 95% useless "confidentiality notice" garbage.

And I know I don't speak for only myself when I say:

About fuckin' time I can schedule something in the same tab as Gmail!

Blame lawyers for that.

You mean the group that will be the first to tell you that those are meaningless for 95% of the emails that they are attached to?
 
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sarusa

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What's with google going after "bubbles" and "circles" for buttons and other elements? They're leaning that way on Android as well. They don't seem nearly as attractive as a nice, sharp, design with smooth lines.

Everything old is new again. After a while those bubbles and circles will have fake raytracing and highlights and then semi-transparency and before you know it we'll be right back to Windows XP clown vomit.
 
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The only "feature" I'd really like to see is being able to archive your incoming mail into folders directly AND still get notifications for them. Right now if you filter and archive inbound email you get no notifications of a new message. I don't want everything in my inbox, but I *do* want to be able to see notifications for incoming mail, especially if I can tag specific folders to allow notifications.
 
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Aidolon

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Kind of surprised I didn't see this in anyone else's comments (unless I overlooked it, sorry!), but my big question is:

How well does it run?

For example: the new version of Calendar looks nice, but I find it's slower than the old calendar to use. Takes a moment to switch months. Not a huge delay, but aggregated over dozens and hundreds of interactions it gets annoying.

I use Gmail much, much more frequently than I do Calendar. As inoffensive-looking as this redesign appears to be on the surface, if it runs less smoothly I am going to be livid.
 
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pocal

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Can we please have better support for mailing lists? (He said, expecting the answer "no"). I mean an option to turn off the damn top-posting (formerly available as a Labs plugin, but no longer), use the "quote only selected text" method that proper MUAs have, etc.

For too long Gmail (as with every other webmail client) has been slavishly following the broken Outlook model. At least give us the option of turning it off.
 
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Gunhedd

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Gmail.com is getting Smart Replies, which offer up machine-learning-generated replies to your emails that you can send with a single click.

I wonder how long before people are removed from the email equation entirely and we just have machines emailing each other.


Not soon enough.
 
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Gmail.com is getting Smart Replies, which offer up machine-learning-generated replies to your emails that you can send with a single click.

I wonder how long before people are removed from the email equation entirely and we just have machines emailing each other.
Re: re : re : re : re : re : re : re : re : re : re Automatic reply Out of office

You forgot the "This email is confidential and blah blah blah" signatures a lot of people append to each. And every. goddamned. Email. Resulting in threads that are 95% useless "confidentiality notice" garbage.

And I know I don't speak for only myself when I say:

About fuckin' time I can schedule something in the same tab as Gmail!

Blame lawyers for that.

Lawyers have shown time and time again that email disclaimers aren't worth the bits they're transmitted with. If you blame anyone, blame management who think they're necessary.

It's up to the sender to ensure that data is being transmitted properly, not the receient.
If email disclaimers were truly needed, they'd be at the start of the email before any confidential information,not at the end.
 
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1. Again, no Folders = Fail.
Amazing how many people accidentally delete important messages selecting all and deleting. Much better with folders - can't delete filed messages by accident from the main inbox.

2. Waste of data bandwidth and screen space.
Back to the old 1 line, 1 message in simpler html.
Newest email designs? More data wasted loading the interface than the messages and headers.
 
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DarthSlack

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It's funny how many people get fighting mad at the thought of the government or your ISP reading your emails, but are perfectly happy for Google to do the same.

In the current environment and sensitivity about privacy, how can an article about gmail not mention the privacy implications of using it?.


1) Google is up front about what it is doing, the Government isn't
2) Google gives me something of value in exchange for violating my privacy.
3) Google can't toss my lard laden ass in jail
4) I can, if I so choose, not use Gmail.
 
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uhuznaa

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I like the additional contrast for most elements, but the reduction of contrast in the compose modal is a bit frustrating. As others noted, as eyes age, it becomes more difficult to make out that a line is even present. And if you are on a lower-quality screen, you can often times only see the lines if you change the angle of the screen. Combine a crappy screen with degraded vision, and those lines vanish.
End-stage skeuomorphism was leather texture and painted-on spiral-bound rings.

End-stage minimalism will be a pure white touchscreen where you just write pseudocode to tell the interface what you want it to do :)
Don't you mean a pure black screen where you write code in green text?
Actually, amber ...

Just enable IMAP in the Gmail settings and use it with mutt in the terminal... you really don't NEED to use the web interface if you don't want to ;-)
 
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arsreader8300

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4) I can, if I so choose, not use Gmail.

No, you can't unless you have some magic way of determining the recipient of your non-gmail originated message isn't a gmail user.

This is the insidious part. Google reads your emails even if you aren't a gmail user and didn't "opt in," but sent an email to a gmail user.
 
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It's funny how many people get fighting mad at the thought of the government or your ISP reading your emails, but are perfectly happy for Google to do the same.

In the current environment and sensitivity about privacy, how can an article about gmail not mention the privacy implications of using it?.

Yeah, because one of those is a choice.
 
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fdbryant

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It's funny how many people get fighting mad at the thought of the government or your ISP reading your emails, but are perfectly happy for Google to do the same.

In the current environment and sensitivity about privacy, how can an article about gmail not mention the privacy implications of using it?.

Because it is talking about the redesign and the privacy implications of using Gmail is a completely different topic. There are plenty of other articles that cover that topic.

I think most people (or at least most of the people that read Ars) are aware of the privacy implications of using GMail and are okay with it. It is fine if your not and choose not to use Gmail.
 
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