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File:王育德像.jpg

Hello. Was File:王育德像.jpg meant to be deleted or not? Thanks in advance. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 05:57, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Now deleted. Must have glitched out. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Black Metal, Literature and Mythology. The Case of Cornelius Jakhelln Image 25.png

@IronGargoyle: Please restore the file, it has been extracted from File:Black Metal, Literature and Mythology. The Case of Cornelius Jakhelln.pdf which is a document release through creative commons into the public domain. The file has been here for seven years, and I would expect to see a stronger argument put forward for deletion than the one presented, and have an expectation that a consensus be reached. Thanks. Please let me know when it is undeleted as I will need to fix the impacted work at English Wikisource.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:57, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: You are welcome to undelete the image if you want or upload it again as long as you fix the source. There is new information. There was nothing wrong with the close though. The image linked to a website that claimed to be all rights reserved in Icelandic and no one commented with evidence that the image was free. Stuff gets deleted when there is no objection all the time. There does not need to be consensus, just a reasonable suspicion that something is a copyright violation. With the new information you have given me, I can see that it might be free. I am a bit concerned by this journal though. The license statement on the journal itself is kind of wishy-washy and says that stuff may be CC, but not definitely. The photos in the journal also look dubious from a licensing perspective. IronGargoyle (talk) 04:45, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@IronGargoyle: Mate, you can do better than that. I am not expecting perfection, though I am expecting you to take responsibility for your actions when they are right or less than right. There is no problem reviewing a decision when something is brought to your attention, and there is no expectation of perfection in these administrative roles.

• https://nome.unak.is/wordpress/
• statement of cc-by-sa => https://doaj.org/toc/1670-6242?source=%7B%22query%22%3A%7B%22bool%22%3A%7B%22must%22%3A%5B%7B%22terms%22%3A%7B%22index.issn.exact%22%3A%5B%221670-6242%22%5D%7D%7D%5D%7D%7D%2C%22size%22%3A100%2C%22sort%22%3A%5B%7B%22created_date%22%3A%7B%22order%22%3A%22desc%22%7D%7D%5D%2C%22_source%22%3A%7B%7D%2C%22track_total_hits%22%3Atrue%7D

The file was in use at enWS. and that is a publication in line with enWS's works released by cc-by-sa, and the image is part of the published work. So please undelete it, and let me know when it is undeleted so I can revert the edit at enWS

There is no ready and convenient way for enWS to know that a work has been nominated for deletion, and be able to track it, so please don't use that argument. Especially when a work has been there for 7 years. And please do not start the wikilawyering about the images in the journal being uncertain, that is a long bow to take, and is not part of our role. The work has been released and we are able to host it. We have an adequate defence about a 14 year old work that is online with a suitable licence and can respond to DCMA notices if they come.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:21, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: I am aware of those links now, but none of them were linked in the original file description. It was only the all-rights-reserved link that was present. As I said, you are absolutely welcome to undelete the image yourself. You are an administrator on Commons too. The links above are an improvement to what was on the file description when it was deleted, though as I mentioned I still have concerns and COM:PRP outweighs the fact that we "can respond to [DMCA] notices if they come”. I have no problem with my actions being questioned. I make as many mistakes as the next person and own up to them when I do. After reflection, however, I still believe that I was 100% in the right given the information that was available to me at the time. You are welcome to rake me over the coals at some noticeboard if you want. I am not sure what else there is to say here. I feel like I have mostly been repeating myself. IronGargoyle (talk) 12:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I know well that I can undelete it. I am here asking you to undelete it as you deleted it, and presented the evidence for you to make that assessment and act. My request with evidence should be treated based on the facts and the argument, not on my role. I am not hauling you over coals, I am not ripping you a new orifice, nor taking you to a noticeboard. I am simply asking for you to undelete it. I am not sure how else to make such a request giving you the opportunity to do it.

Please reread PRP as your interpretation has not given sufficient weight to the fact that the work is published under a suitable licence. The PRP says significant doubt and that simply cannot the case with a 2009 published work with cc-by-sa licence. If you have significant doubt then why not seek another opinion.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:45, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: I took the tone of your request to indicate that you wanted me to admit I had done something wrong in how I closed the discussion supposedly without consensus and/or without adequate reason (reinforced by the fact that you edited an archived closed deletion request (!) instead of leaving a pleasant note on my talk page). You could have just said "Oh, hey, I didn't notice this deletion request before the file got deleted. Here's some more evidence that wasn't on the file description page". I also would have been fine if you just undeleted it without asking me (as long as you fixed the inadequate evidence of permission). That's not reversing my action as far as I'm concerned. It's just fixing the encyclopedia. I was trying to be gracious in saying "you are welcome to undelete the image". I then explained my further concerns (because I do have them). I'll undelete the image because it seems important to you that I be the one to push the button, though I'm not sure why. IronGargoyle (talk) 16:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Samer787

Hi, You closed only half of the DR. Is this intentional? Yann (talk) 18:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Not intentional. I was just skimming through the daily log page and I didn't notice the header above had the same title. I just closed the other discussion too since the issue is similar. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Can I add this DR to the "Deletion requests/kept" category?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_found_with_©_Cynthia_van_Elk @IronGargoyle Can I add this DR to the "Deletion requests/kept" category? -- Ooligan (talk) 22:31, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Sure. You don't need to ask me to add a category. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Please review for deletion

Greetings: As per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of the Wagner Group.svg, please review these images for deletion:

• File:Flag of the Wagner Group (variant 2).svg
• File:Flag_of_the_Wagner_Group_(variant_2).svg

Thank you! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ellin Beltz: I am a bit confused about what you are asking, sorry. They were just posted to DR. Are you asking me if I think they should be speedily deleted? Are you asking something else? I did close a Wagner Group image DR in the past, but I trust that anyone else in the admin corps could deal with these images too. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:06, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I suspect someone deleted them between when I saw them and when you looked? They were actual images, copies of some you had previously deleted and thus, I believe eligible for speedy. Best. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Delete please

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Coprophilia Scatophilia - Jacky V.jpg is about scat porn uploaded by a blocked sock puppet and has a unanimous deletion agreement. I’m really shocked it hasn’t been closed yet— could you delete it? Dronebogus (talk) 06:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Deleted. IronGargoyle (talk) 11:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Blessmon.jpg

hello you deleted the picture of blessmon, because of copyryght but he is my musical artist that's why I have permission to post the picture Blessmon365 (talk) 07:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

@Blessmon365: Permission isn't the only issue. The musician also does not seem to be within project scope of Wikimedia Commons. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by MALS-malayan tiger

Hi, Thanks for looking into this. These may be in the public domain, but they still have the wrong date, author, source, and license. Thanks, Yann (talk) 08:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. IronGargoyle (talk) 16:58, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

re-nomination of Schoolgirls in Dorking, London (6258299657) (cropped).jpg for deletion

Hi, I think File:Schoolgirls in Dorking, London (6258299657) (cropped).jpg should be re-nominated for deletion. You closed the deletion for two stated reasons, one of which is no longer true, and the other, I think, is plausibly in doubt. The first was that it was COM:INUSE by another project, Wikipedia. This is now no longer true. Its only use is on Brianjd's page, and it's only there as a result of the nomination for deletion. The second stated reason was that was that it did not violate COM:INUSE, specifically COM:DIGNITY. Opinions on that in the original discussion were decidedly mixed, but my reading of the discussion was that the use of the image on Wikipedia was a confounding factor for determining the relevance of COM:DIGNITY. Now that it is no longer in use I believe a second vote for deletion would clarify the issue.

Considering all the above I'm letting you know I'm thinking of renominating it. I've never actually submitted a nomination for deletion before so I also have a query about how to properly submit the request. This image is a cropped version of another image File:Schoolgirls in Dorking, London (6258299657).jpg. Would a nomination for one be taken to refer to both, assuming the cropping itself does not constitute a meaningfully different image in terms of guidelines? And should I nominate the original, or the cropped version as that's where the discussion has been thus far? Or does it not matter much? --Cyllel (talk) 02:58, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

I would strongly discourage you from doing so. The image is not removed from project scope simply because it was removed from the article(s). This is particularly true when an image was used in good faith for a significant period of time. I should note that violating COM:IDENT would indeed be sufficient justification to delete the image even if it was in use or otherwise in scope, but the file did not violate the COM:IDENT policy. Firstly, the subjects are not identifiable, the photograph was not taken in a jurisdiction where the subjects would need to consent even if they were identifiable in a public place, and the concerns regarding COM:DIGNITY in the discussion largely surrounded the inappropriate captions and these concerns were dealt with via ordinary editing of the description. IronGargoyle (talk) 05:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm afraid I disagree that my original concerns regarding COM:DIGNITY were dealt with by merely removing the description, as the link to the original Flickr source remains, which makes clear its "creepshot" provenance. That was always my original concern. All we have done is hidden offending material which makes clear that provenance - an argument could be made that this is worse, because it suggests that we know we're doing something wrong by using the image. I also disagree that the discussion in the previous request for deletion came to the conclusion that the concerns had been dealt with by editing the description. As Rhododendrites put it (emphasis mine):

There's no legal problem (taken in public in the UK), but it's a tough call as far as the moral question. ... Where it gets tricky is in the information we have. In some cases, we can simply rename, change the description, and so on, but here no matter what we do we'll always have to link to the Flickr source, where (a) the exact location of the photo is documented, eroding part of the unidentifiable claim, and (b) his intention is made clear: he wanted a photo of the young girls' legs. As COM:DIGNITY says, we don't need to see the face to refuse to host creepshots. I wouldn't be voting to delete based just on the photo, but Weak Delete based on the provenance/context.

So clearly some users were of the opinion that it's not the text per se, but the source itself, and I don't believe this issue was ever resolved. We can't delete the source. I must admit I'm a little confused as to why you bring up the notion of identity or legality, so I'll try to be clearer as to why I don't think this is relevant. It is COM:DIGNITY specifically that I'm referencing, which makes clear that neither the subjects being unidentifiable nor the image being legal are in and of themselves a reason to keep an image (emphasis mine):

...Common decency and respect for human dignity may influence the decision whether to host an image above that required by the law. The extent to which an image might be regarded as "unfairly obtained" or to be "intrusive", for example, is a matter of degree and may depend on the nature of the shot, the location, and the notability of the subject.

The provenance of an image may taint its use irredeemably. A "downblouse" or "creepshot" photograph is not made ethically acceptable just because the subject's face is cropped out A paparazzi telephoto shot of a naked sunbather does not become acceptable merely by pixelating the face.

In the same way as quality newspapers may apply a "public interest" test to doubtful images, the degree to which an image meets our educational project scope may also be considered. When in doubt, there is no requirement for Commons to host any image of a person.

I think that with the image now removed from Wikipedia we should resolve the original argument for deletion advanced by myself, Rhododendrites, and others, that its provenance is, to use the wording of COM:DIGNITY, irredeemably tainted. This makes another nomination justifiable. Cyllel (talk) 03:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Responding to the ping, but don't really have anything to add beyond what I said in the DR (as quoted above). INUSE/SCOPE are irrelevant to this particular case. It's just a matter of COM:DIGNITY:
(1) to what extent are they identifiable thanks to the exact location being provided?
(2) Regardless of whether they're identifiable, to what extent is the image itself similar to an upskirt/downblouse/creepshot, which doesn't require the subject to be identifiable?
(3) Regardless of whether it looks like a "creepshot", the language of the photographer betrays that it is one. Even if we remove that language from Commons, we're required to link to it on Flickr. To what extent should knowledge of the provenance influence our determination of a tainted provenance, and to what extent should we consider language on the sites we link to in contextualizing an image?
For me, I find this case to be 90% about #3. The fact that we know it's a creepshot, and link to that fact, means it should be deleted. Changing the description on Commons isn't good enough. I admit it's a difficult case, though. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  15:47, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and nominated it. --Cyllel (talk) 19:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of Caracas (2022).svg

Hi,what this "deleted" or "kept"?? Traducción:Esta imagen debería ser "removida" (deleted) o "quedarse" (kept)?? AbchyZa22 (talk) 08:33, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you are asking me as I haven't commented in the discussion. If you are asking me to close the discussion, I would politely decline. I think the discussion could benefit from being left open a bit longer and it might attract more input from those with a clearer understanding of the copyright law in question. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Screenshots of Android 6.0

Hi, IronGargoyle. In fact, I had planned to add a blur filter to a few photos of Samsung smartphone in this category to remove copyrighted wallpaper, but I forgot to do this. Could you temporarily restore those photos? Thank you. 0x0a (talk) 15:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@0x0a: Done. Let me know when you are finished. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Can File:Android Screenshot (Marshmallow).jpg be temporarily restored, too? 0x0a (talk) 03:59, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, thought I got them all. IronGargoyle (talk) 04:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to disturb you. I "fixed" the copyright issues for the following files (except screenshots). Should the original versions be hidden? I noticed that this was done in another case.

• File:Android 6.0 (Marshmallow).jpg
• File:Android 6.0 Marshmallow.jpeg
• File:Android Marshmallow.JPG
• File:Android Phone (Marshmallow).jpg
• File:Android Screenshot (Marshmallow).jpg
• File:Samsung Galaxy Note 5, S6 edge+ and Note 7 20161010a.jpg
• File:Samsung Galaxy Note 5, S6 edge+ and Note 7 20161010b.jpg
• File:Smartphone Android Marshmallow.jpg
• File:Android logo.jpg
• File:Samsung Android Smartphones.jpg

--0x0a (talk) 04:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Done. Revisions hidden. IronGargoyle (talk) 04:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, this screenshot File:Android 6.0-en.png should be deleted as it involves no originality of the uploader. And I've made a free image to replace it. 0x0a (talk) 05:09, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Can you please leave a comment in COM:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Screenshots of Android 5.0 in case anyone get confused about file recovery? 0x0a (talk) 05:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:SAYAGYI U BA KHIN.jpg

Hi IronGargoyle, can you please tell me the uploader of Commons:Deletion requests/File:SAYAGYI U BA KHIN.jpg? I don't remember the user name, but I remember that all his other uploads had the same problem. Seewolf (talk) 09:21, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

@Seewolf: Sure. It was uploaded by Brontesauria. You can search that for yourself without administrator access if you go to Special:Log and put the page/file name in as the target. This uploader does not seem to have any undeleted uploads remaining. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Weird Myanmar military-related swath of deletion requests

Hi, My account is a fake account of Dibosh Chakma. So I request that this account should be blocked too. I uploaded US Navy photos from the flickr then later on added permissions copying them from other photos. Most of the photos I requested to be deleted because these photos are edited and uploaded without proper authorisation. I did that before too. so now I want all things to go right. and sorry for everything. Dane-3051 uploaded every picture is taken from flickr and shipshub website. so I request you to delete those pictures. Dane-3051 (talk) 16:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Тварь зачем удалил флаг Приднестровья?

Тварь зачем вы удалили флаг ПМР.PNG 89.113.153.9 20:01, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I don't know what you are talking about. Can you provide me with a more precise file name? File:флаг ПМР.PNG does not seem to have ever been a file on Wikimedia Commons. IronGargoyle (talk) 06:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

File:Kiʻi Kihawahine.pdf

Hi. Unfortunately I haven't been logged in for some days, therefore I couldn't respond to the message about the nomination for deletion. The given reason plain text is not correct, because the file includes an image of the Kiʻi Kihawahine. Hence I ask you to review your decision. Best, --ThT (talk) 14:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I checked and the sole image contained within is licensed under a non-commercial license, so it can't be restored, sorry. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:36, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

About Doraemon_2005Logo.jpg

Hello. I'm a Japanese wikipedian.File:Doraemon 2005Logo.jpg was deleted by you. I was using it on my page,so CommonsDelinker deleted that picture. So,I watched Commons:Deletion requests/File:Doraemon 2005Logo.jpg.But I can't understand what problems are there in that picture because machine translation(Google translate) outputed terrific transration.If you like,please explain the problem with the picture.Thanks. (I didn't use machine translation,so maybe I make many mistake in my English.Sorry!)--Mr.R1234 (talk) 06:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

The image is above the threshold of originality in Japan. In other words, it is too creative to be in the public domain. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@IronGargoyle

I'm sorry to late reply.Does that mean It's not simple enough to put it in the public domain?--Mr.R1234 (talk) 10:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Correct. The little pictures which went along with the letters made it too complex. IronGargoyle (talk) 12:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply.I got it.--Mr.R1234 (talk) 14:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

File:Raphiolepis Indica.jpg

Hi, I've put this image (which I mistakenly tried to delete and you saved) in "unidentified flowers". Perhaps you know its actual name. Thanks, Krok6kola (talk) 15:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I assumed the filename was its species. It does seem like someone with expertise in botany could probably identify this though. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:52, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

File:Davankov for Mayor of Moscow 2023 poster.jpg

Why did you delete the photo Commons:Deletion requests/File:Davankov for Mayor of Moscow 2023 poster? Can you explain? At photo was an election poster, not a work of art. So freedom of panorama does not apply to this. There's even category for same type of photos, for posters Category:Election posters in Russia, for billboards: Category:Billboards in Russia, Category:Visual election campaigning in Kazan. Macs24 (talk) 09:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Photographs are creative works which are protected by copyright in nearly every jurisdiction, including Russia. The categories you cite contain a mix of old posters/billboards (no longer protected by copyright), very simple posters/billboards, and instances where the copyrighted material is de minimis. There are also some images in those categories which should probably be deleted like this poster was. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of File:2023-02 ai image of woman 01.png

Hello, could you please explain why you deleted the image? Can you tell me whose copyright was infringed? Ziko van Dijk (talk) 21:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

It was a derivative work. The copyright owner of the movie Breakfast at Tiffany's is the owner whose work this infringed upon. IronGargoyle (talk) 02:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

How exactly is it a derivative work, according to our rules on derivative works? Ziko van Dijk (talk) 15:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

It's obviously based on Audrey Hepburn's character from Breakfast at Tiffany's. COM:DW applies to characters in fictional works. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Can you name me the exaxt sentence of COM:DW that applies here? Ziko van Dijk (talk) 18:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Read the section titled "What is a derivative work?" please. It clearly includes examples using characters. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @IronGargoyle, I am sorry that I left this thread here like this; I always appreciate when admins take the time to explain a decision. - In this case, I am not sure whether this is a derivative work as meant on COM:DW. We agree that the face of the deceased actress is not protected; and it is a personal judgement whether the young woman does resemble Audrey Hepburn at all. Anyway, the young woman on the picture sports a certain hairstyle, a certain make_up and a certain dress. Non of these elements are owned by the film production company in the way that copyright or other rights would be violated. - Or imagine an image of Roger Moore in a white dinner jacket: neither Moore or the jacket are protected and banned from reproduction. Ziko van Dijk (talk) 08:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

You can make the argument that Disney can't copyright Mickey Mouse. I mean a mouse with big ears isn't copyrightable. A mouse wearing red pants isn't copyrightable. A mouse wearing gloves isn't copyrightable. But when you put it all together (and/or many other subtle cues) there is clear intent to create a derivative work. Let me put it this way: I instantly recognized the image as Holly Golightly. I also showed the image to someone I know. Unprompted, and without any clues on my behalf they said "Holly Golightly". They didn't just say Audrey Hepburn. They instantly recognized the character. That is prima face a derivative work. IronGargoyle (talk) 01:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Accusation of being disruptive at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Schoolgirls in Dorking, London (6258299657).jpg

At that deletion request, you wrote:

[Cyllel’s reinstatement of the original link] serves no purpose and is only being disruptive to try and prove a point.

That user gave a detailed rationale for their reinstatement of that link. Disagreeing with that rationale is reasonable, but then accusing that user of ‘only being disruptive to try and prove a point’ is assuming bad faith where there is no evidence of bad faith, a violation of the relevant Commons guideline. Brianjd (talk) 08:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

It's really weird that you bring this up several months after that discussion concluded, but whatever. I stand by my assertion and I think you misunderstand my statement (assume good faith indeed). I wasn't saying that Cyllel intended to be disruptive, but the net effect of reinstating a problematic link (which other editors in the discussion agreed was better off removed) was disruptive in my mind. I was talking about the act being disruptive, not the actor. I don't think that is a violation of AGF. I have to call bad acts as I see them. I do think Cyllel was trying to prove a point because the link existing was the strongest rationale for deleting the image. Why else would someone reinsert a problematic link which they themselves admitted was a problem? I'm sure the point was made with the best of intentions for Commons, but it was still a disruptive act. IronGargoyle (talk) 01:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi IronGargoyle, I am glad that Brianjd brought this back up, if only so I could revisit it and think about what I could have done differently. I do accept that you genuinely believed I was acting disruptively, and I could have given you more benefit of the doubt that you were acting in good faith. As I said at the time, there was obviously strong disagreement regarding the image, so no hard feelings.

As you laid out your perspective, I'd like to present mine: I was not trying to use edits as a rhetorical instrument in the discussion. I genuinely found (and still find) it impossible to comprehend the view advanced by some editors that the description and/or link should have been removed but the image remain. This was never my personal view, although I accept I could have been clearer in articulating that distinction in my original talk page post, and subsequent request for deletion. When I initially saw your edit removing the link to the page, I honestly interpreted it as something more like an admission of guilt — not on your part personally, but on the part of Commons. It was almost as if we were saying "the link proves the image is bad, so we should remove the link to cover up the evidence." As you say, the link was the strongest rationale for deleting the image. Why else would someone delete the link unless they wanted to cover up the proof that the image was problematic? This was my only way of understanding your action, which is why I reverted the edit. This was wrong, and I should have assumed good faith instead. While I honestly still do not at all understand the idea that removing the link made the image no longer problematic, I accept that we had a difference of opinion on the best way to deal with the issue. --Cyllel (talk) 03:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Copyright question

Hi, does "Photo by Steve Jennings/Getty Images for TechCrunch" count as a deletion candiate for your purposes? (I'm sorry I recently gave you a hard time.) Krok6kola (talk) 02:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I mean yeah. It sounds pretty blatant. It would help if you linked to the actual image you were talking about though. IronGargoyle (talk) 02:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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In fact, probably some of those in Category:TechCrunch Disrupt SF 2018

Some of these images have been repeatedly cropped and used in various articles. Krok6kola (talk) 15:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, that's a considerably more complicated question. TechCrunch is a reliable publisher and I would expect that they would be able to determine what license they were releasing images under (as it says they are freely licensed on their official Flickr stream). Normally Getty Images are definitively not freely licensed (when they aren't copyfrauding public domain images that is), but this says they are for TechCrunch, so I don't know. I would ask at COM:VPC. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Pipe organs on countries with no FoP for interiors

I'd like to have a discussion for such cases, there was once one, but it was archived because of lack of interest. Since you are an admin, should we unarchive the archived one or begin a new one? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome to start one, though I think there isn't much to say about it (probably why the first discussion died out). Most cases I've seen have been kept. The case-by-case nature of this issue could vary I suppose and is informed by COM:UA. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello, back in 2022 you added {{Kept}} to File talk:HK Four Seasons Hotel IMG 4920.JPG, File talk:HK Four Seasons Hotel IMG 4921.JPG and File talk:HK Four Seasons Hotel IMG 4922.JPG. I can't find a corresponding DR, so do you know why that is? Is it perhaps a DR that's been deleted? Special:Whatlinkshere doesn't find any DR either. Jonteemil (talk) 16:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

And also File talk:View from Harbour Plaza Metropolis, Hong Kong 1.jpg, File talk:View from Harbour Plaza Metropolis, Hong Kong 3.jpg with the same issues as above. Jonteemil (talk) 16:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jonteemil: The nominator did not create a proper subpage, so apparently the deletion tool linked the "kept" notice to the log page instead. Old deletion logs get deleted once emptied. I checked back into the deleted page history and it looks like it was a frivolous nomination with the claimed rationale of privacy. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I see. Would you delete the file talk pages then per COM:CSD#G1 or alternatively COM:CSD#G8? Jonteemil (talk) 18:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't suggest doing either, as the redlink still directs administrators indirectly to the discussion. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:43, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The redlink doesn't direct anyone anywhere or what do you mean? Jonteemil (talk) 22:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

If you have access to deleted revisions, it does. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you explain it to me like I'm five? Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. To me they seem to qualify for speedy deletion per COM:CSD#G8. Jonteemil (talk) 00:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

CSD G8 is largely for orphaned talk pages. In other words, talk pages without corresponding files. The files themselves still exist, so it doesn't meet the criteria. The talk pages in question serve a purpose by letting people know that a deletion discussion did happen. It takes being an administrator to see that deletion discussion now, but it would be even harder to see the deletion request history of the file if the talk page was deleted. IronGargoyle (talk) 02:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to ping me if you need Wikidata pages zapped

As in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Linffine 2024.jpg. I picked back up the Wikidata mop in order to address Commons-Wikidata cross project issues like this one. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

No notifications to Wikivoyage anymore?

Ping User:IronGargoyle: Commons delinker just delinked an image on Wikivoyage that was deleted by you in the Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Patuxai thread. It was used in the voy:Indochina Wars article, but now I can't see it to make a decision about whether we should locally upload a file that was deleted just because of lack of commercial freedom of panorama. Why was there never a notification on the voy:Talk:Indochina Wars page that this file was nominated for deletion? We're supposed to get such notifications. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: I have no idea about any bots and why they may or may not be working. I would suggest asking the bot operator or at the Village Pump. Would you like me to import the picture to Wikivoyage? As an aside, I did propose adding a similar template to en:Template:FOP-USonly to English Wikivoyage and it generated little interest if I recall correctly. IronGargoyle (talk) 12:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Sure, do import it to en.wikivoyage. That's a very nice offer. I will pursue this problem further in the Village Pump, as you suggest. Thanks! Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:19, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I just realized that this particular image was one of the ones I imported to English Wikipedia (en:File:Patuxay, Vientiane, Laos.jpg). I'll let you download and import it from there because you are probably more familiar the with Wikivoyage non-free image guidelines and templates than I am. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:35, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, I can handle it if we decide we want it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons picture deletion

Thanks for deleting on the talk page of the file of (https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:General_Zaw_Min_Tun.jpg) but I notice that the file isn't deleted yet and it's still up. I suggest deleting the entire file since it's unneeded for now. Per https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:General_Zaw_Min_Tun.jpg#File:General_Zaw_Min_Tun.jpg KhantWiki (talk) 15:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Weird. Must have been a deletion script error. File is deleted now. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Deletion decision review

I would like you to review your deletion discussion result of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Nalgonda_map.jpg as GODL was only applicable for Indian government works from 2018, while this image was made originally available by one of the states of India in 2003 with copyright attributed to a private company. Arjunaraoc (talk) 11:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I didn't make any decision. I just voted that it should be kept. Those arguments should be raised on the deletion request page itself. The discussion is still ongoing. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Deletion decision review

Could you please review the deletion discussion result of File:Noniya Chauhan.jpg? It was kept based on a single vote by another experienced editor, without considering my points. I also nominated other files from the same user, which were deleted. This user used multiple accounts to vandalize the Hindi Wikipedia page, and their previous account was blocked too. The photo seems to be a local gathering of a specific caste community, which may not have a relevant use on Wikipedia. I kindly request you to reconsider your decision. राजकुमार^(talk) 05:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The file has already been deleted for copyright violation reasons which were not raised in the deletion request. There is nothing to review here. I would have deleted it if I saw that it was a copyright violation, but it would have been in scope if it had not been a copyright violation. IronGargoyle (talk) 12:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The file got deleted because I brought up the issue with another admin. The chat is now turned off. Thanks! राजकुमार^(talk) 01:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by KlaudeMan

Hey, do you think you could also close the other request that's open? Or should another person who can do so do it? reppop^talk 23:56, 22 October 2024 (UTC)