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Out of Date

I'm afraid I don't have the skills to edit this page but I fear it's now fairly out of date -- for example, it says that "simple devices (such as smartphones and PDAs) may not support the required technologies", which I think is no longer true, and describes Fetch as "a new native JavaScript API" although it's now at least 5 years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidoaye (talk • contribs) 10:36, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, also Ajax has mostly been superseded by the SPA, as shown on its article - maybe that should be mentioned here? Cylinderwheat (talk) 15:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Ajax framework

What is an Ajax framework ? I expected clicking on a link to Ajax framework would tell what an Ajax framework is. However, clicking on that link currently redirects me to this Ajax (programming) article. The word "framework" only occurs once in this article -- in a link in the "See also" section to "List of Ajax frameworks". --DavidCary (talk) 04:07, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Expansion

Is it "Asynchronous JavaScript + XML" or "Asynchronous JavaScript and XML"? I've always understood the latter.

But the article by Jesse James Garrett has it as "Asynchronous JavaScript + XML". OTOH, the MDN page has it as "Asynchronous JavaScript and XML", and moreover explicitly indicates the "a" standing for "and". And the MDN page claims that Garrett coined the term, but Garrett's article doesn't claim he did, but merely states that "we at Adaptive Path" have been using the term. So it could be the case that it was originally coined as "and" but it was mistranscribed (possibly via a handwritten note) along the way to Garrett's article. After all, it seems a bit odd not to have the "a" standing for "and".

In any case, we have two sources contradicting each other on the matter. How can we resolve this? — Smjg (talk) 00:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Did start as "Asynchronous JavaScript + XML" but quickly became "Asynchronous JavaScript + X". This is all confused as the original APIs mentioned XML, but were used for other purpose.

Given an API to dynamically fetch other bits from Javascript, suddenly broke open an entire world. (Replaced a complex Windows application with an AJAX application around 2007.) pbannister (talk) 02:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@Pbannister: Sorry, I had missed your reply until now. So the 'a' was added to make it pronounceable as a word, and that it is also the first letter of "and" was pure coincidence?

Furthermore, I note that the API seems to be data-format-agnostic, despite the class name XMLHttpRequest, so I can understand the change from "XML" to "X". Maybe it was originally conceived with the assumption that the data sent and received would be in XML, but then it was realised there's no reason it needs to be. Still do you have any further information about this change? Furthermore, does anyone actually own the acronym? If not, I wonder who would have been responsible for changing what it stands for. — Smjg (talk) 16:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Not sure we are really disagree. This discussion is muddled as the original API was:

new XMLHttpRequest()

Worse, to get the HTTP request object in IE6 we had to use:

new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP")

Thus "Asynchronous Javascript and XML" as early name. (Also XML was still somewhat fashionable, then, as reflected in Garrett's article.)

Whether we write "+" or "and", it means the same thing. The point was that Javascript could request data from the server, and along with the convergence of the web browsers (IE6 being ... workable), this made it practical to build dynamic user interfaces on the web.

In very short order, the X in AJAX meant Javascript code could fetch anything - XML or HTML or CSS or JSON or custom data (did that). pbannister (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Meaning of name

yes, im aware of what the acronym stands for, but software developers often work puns into their names. since Ajax is a dish detergent, might this technology ... maybe just maybe .... be a tribute to SOAP? 👀 —Soap— 13:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)