Talk:Hunter Region

Schools List

I have removed the list of schools from the page as I don't see it contributing to the article. Especially as it is rather incomplete and inaccurate. It misses major parts of the Hunter Valley and schools like Maitland Christian and Hunter Valley Grammar, which are K-12, are listed as either primary or high school. MyNameIsNotBob 10:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Heart disease

Hunter region [1] has high rate of heart disease, if anyone is interested. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

needs a History section

Nice article, but it needs a History section on who lived there before European discovery and settlement, and also how the settlement by Europeans proceeded. Was any of this area in the penal colony? Was it always agriculture, were more nations than Great Britain involved in the settlement, how did settlers and natives interact, and so on. --Prairieplant (talk) 04:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Cities and towns

An IP recently removed, without explanation, "second" from the sentence "Newcastle, situated at the mouth of the Hunter River, is the second largest city in the region, although its immediate metropolitan area includes Lake Macquarie, though its statistical division also includes parts of the Maitland, Cessnock and Port Stephens areas."[2] I reverted this change because the original text was correct. As is now explained in the article, the Hunter Region includes four cities, Lake Macquarie, Newcastle, Maitland and Cessnock. At the 2016 census the populations of these cities were:

• Lake Macquarie 197,371[3]
• Newcastle 155,411[4]
• Maitland 77,305[5]
• Cessnock 55,560[6]

This was reverted with the edit summary "Lake Macquarie is just an LGA. Most of it would be considered part of the Newcastle metro area"[7] The first part of this is incorrect. In NSW there is no such thing as "just an LGA". As explained at List of cities in Australia#New South Wales, since 1993, only LGAs can be declared as "cities" in NSW, under the Local Government Act 1993.[8] LGAs are therefore extremely relevant. More importantly, Lake Macquarie became a city in 1984,[9][10] so the statement that Newcastle is the second largest city is quite correct based on published data. It is true that "Most of it would be considered part of the Newcastle metro area" but the statement is not about metropolitan areas, it is about cities. In previous censuses the ABS has paired Newcastle and Lake Macquarie but the Newcastle metro area is not limited to these, it includes parts of Port Stephens, Maitland and Cessnock as well. In fact, this is explained in the article. To further confuse that issue, since the 2016 census, the ABS has paired Newcastle and Maitland instead of Newcastle and Lake Macquarie.[11] Again, this does not negate the fact that Newcastle is the second largest city. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:36, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

You are correct in asserting that the City of Lake Macquarie is larger than the City of Newcastle, and I was wrong to simply revert your edits. However, I feel some confusion is caused by the statement, as many people will be thinking (as I was) of the Newcastle metro area as a whole. It doesn't help that the article on Newcastle itself describes the metro area (this is linked to in the lead, in the same sentence talking about the city of Lake Macquarie), while City of Newcastle only describes the LGA (linked to in the Cities and towns section). I'm wondering if there is a way to clarify in the article what is meant by the term city or otherwise resolve the confusion. Jaxcab (talk) 02:18, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I've argued about what constitutes a city in the past. NSW has a legal definition, i.e. the LGA boundaries, while in other states city boundaries cross LGA boundaries. Both definitions do have their problems. For example, there is a group of about 4 houses on a back road in a very rural area many km to the south west of Cessnock that are, technically, city dwellers. Where I live, if Raymond Terrace became large enough to become a city (it's not far from it now), the city would be called "Port Stephens" and would include places like Fingal Bay, which is 45 minutes away. It would also include Fern Bay, which is part of the Newcastle metropolitan area. I've always felt that Newcastle, New South Wales is confusing because it covers the metro area, not the actual city. By rights, every time the ABS changes its mind the article should be subjected to massive changes. It does need some changes now, as the definitions are based on 2006 Census data, not the latest, which is more representative of reality. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:35, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

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Where is the area?

There is no map showing where the area is, just a dot where Newcastle is within NSW. Is it an area with no defined boundaries? Cls14 (talk) 09:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

The area has rough boundaries but we don't have a map, hence the dot. BTW, "wine growing" is a common term. --AussieLegend (✉) 12:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for both answers :-) Cls14 (talk) 14:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)