Talk:Ukrainian architecture

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Why DnieproGes. Why can't you write DnieproHes. The HES comes from Hydro Electric Station not Gydro Electric Station.????? The rest looks like it is going to be a great article. An example to emulate. I'll have to get my architect friend in Australia onto it. Bandurist 17:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

DneproGES is how it is usually known, besides it is but a draft and things like that really do not matter. What is important is that the station is a great example of 1920s design and engineering, as it was at time of finish the largest station in Europe.

Itself the examples are very skeletal and just what came to my head in space of 10 minutes, I am sure that there are countless amounts of them, so feel free to remove/add/ anything you want.

What I really need is good photographs, and once we get the "meat" of each section sorted, we really need to pick out selected examples to illustrate each of it. What I really need help with is Western Ukrainian architecture, and not only the great masterpieces of Lvov and such, but things like traditional wooden Carpathian chuches are need to be expanded on. Here are some popular websites: http://www.oko.kiev.ua/index.jsp ; http://sobory.ru/index.html (very good refrence for churches, I will contact them if we can use some of their photographs)--Kuban Cossack 15:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I have tons of photos from this years trip to Ukraine (incl. Chernivtsi, Khotyn, and Kamianets-Podilskyi), some I already uploaded on the Commons.. Just now, I found a couple of good sites for Carpathian churches and architecture: [1], [2], [3], [4].. —dima/talk/ 04:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Modern architecture

How about this? — Alex Khristov 03:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking more of a massive render which had the whole left bank into it. here but I can't find a better one... I know it was there at one point. --Kuban Cossack 12:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

You mean the Business Center render? Business Center is on the right bank, although most of other skyscrapers will go on the left bank. — Alex Khristov 19:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Well that is a good render so let's use that, but it will have to go under fair-use, and the question is will it be allowed into this article? --Kuban Cossack 12:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

We can always email UCIMM about it. — Alex Khristov 00:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Moving to main space?

How do you feel about moving this work-in-progress to the Main space, make an announcement at the relevant portals, and keep making headway?--Riurik^(discuss) 03:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

True as it may be, but the WP:DYK policies, state that major articles have to come immediately, and looking at other FA-successes, it is a case of immediate publishing that not only gets them the audience, but also the fame to qualify for such. However given that my editing pattern is such that I can be idle for weeks and then give two days of intensive edits to an article, the dissapointment of Hotel Ukrayina is not something that I want to repeat with this article. Thus, I would like to keep it in userspace for a bit longer, at least when its skeleton is complete, with no gaps. Then, when it comes to having it wikified and polished then maybe. That is of course, only an opinion, and if you feel otherwise I cannot stop you from starting a clone of this article in main space, but I would wait for bit longer yet. --Kuban Cossack 12:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Having read your rationale, I completely agree (especially the DYK policies, etc). Let's just keep working on it. Why is Hotel Ukrayina a disappointment?--Riurik^(discuss) 18:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Its not a bad article, but there its just poorly structured, could use a professional re-write of the facts and some more details added. The reason was I posted it too early... Now I have lost any will to write anything else about it... sad but true--Kuban Cossack 17:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

A thought came to me, the fate of the article was much like the building itself, it began good, began with enthusiasm, and then something happened to such a degree that the final result was a boring dull and uninteresting article. Is it just me, or was there really a curse going? After all the reconstruction of the Maidan first in early 1980s, failed to finish the Hotel, same for the second one in 1999-01, and even today noone wishes to make something good of this poor Hotel. :( --Kuban Cossack 13:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

...but unlike the "boring dull" building, the article will be much easier to revamp than Hotel Ukraina; maybe not today or next week, but at some point in the future.--Riurik^(discuss) 21:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it's time...

It has been idle for the past four months. Let's move it to the Main Space. Even in this shape, it is still better than majority of wikipedia entries. It will get the DYK for sure, and from there maybe others will pick up, but from here, it faces certain stagnation.--Riurik^(discuss) 21:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

In reply I did put it up for DYK today. --Kuban Cossack 18:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Good stuff. I'm glad to see it online and available to the world. I will help address the DYK comment by the ip-user on the nomination page, and propose an alternative hook.--Riurik^(discuss) 18:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Alternative hook suggestion:

• ...that the Ukrainian Baroque architecture is distinct from Western European Baroque in that its designs were more constructivist, had more moderate ornamentation, and were simpler in form?

Posted here.--Riurik^(discuss) 19:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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