Kellycrak88

Removals of Caps of Maintenance and Coronet

In keeping with Scottish Feudal law and custom:

I had placed a Cap of Maintenance above the Arms of the Lord of Garlies, which you removed. He is entitled by the Lord Lyon Court to such a Cap as both Lord of Garlies and Baron of four separate Baronies. It should have nothing to do with the size of the shield.

The Lord of the Regality of Mordington has his Cap of Maintenance above his shield.

In addition, I had placed a Feudal Circle of Gold as Coronet above the Cap of Maintenance of the Feudal Countess of Crawfurd-Lindsay, both of which you removed. She is entitled to a Cap of Maintenance both as Feudal Countess and as Baroness of Auchterutherstruther by the Lord Lyon Court. This has nothing to do with the size of her oval.

By Scottish law and custom, all ranks of Feudal Dignities are entitled to a Cap of Maintenance. XiaoCielo (talk) 21:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Feudalism ended in Scotland with the Scotland Act 2000 which was implemented in 2004, with special protection for baronage titles (that were feudal titles tied to the land) to become personal titles. Therefore post 2004 it is incorrect referring to these titles as feudal. If you wish to make material changes to the baron list that effects the uniformity of the page, then you need to propose it on the Talk page of that page and reach consensus with other editors. As you're claiming a baron should have a coronet (which is normally for peers) on that talk page also please provide your case and evidence links there. FYI there certainly is no Scottish law stating barons are entitled to a cap of maintenance, and in fact Lyons dropped issuing it some years ago since the end of feudalism 2004 law change. Furthermore, the barons list page does have them, but the Lords and Earls page does not as the shields are bigger as there are less barons. As mentioned, if you wish to make a design change suggest it on the relevant Talk page and reach consensus with editors. I also believe that from your editing history you appear to be a baron yourself connected to ones you keep editing, so please be aware of conflict of interest. Kellycrak88 (talk) 22:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Kellycrak88: Is the Bachuil Cap of Maintenance Error yours?

I have not established the source as Kellycrak88, but if you inserted the erroneous Cap of Maintenance in the illustration of the coat of arms in the Baron of the Bachuil page, please consider correcting it. The cap of the Bachuil is "gules furred vair", not "gules furred ermine" like the majority of Scots baronies. See my comment in the Talk page for the Bachuil and its references, and consult the text of the article itself. The Bachuil cap is also shewn wrong in the Baronage of Scotland table of baronies. If you are not responsible for the errors, my apologies, and please convey this corrective message to those who are. 172.56.91.196 (talk) 05:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Happy to correct it, do yo have the image? Also pls consider registering an account and logging to indemnify yourself Kellycrak88 (talk) 05:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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Newhall House and Estate

Hi Kellycrak88. I appreciate that you're trying to improve the article, but please don't revert proper edits with a promise to fix the issues in the future. Fix the issues with the same edit that restores your preferred text to avoid having the article in state that violates guidelines or policies. The revert button shouldn't be used impulsively to express that you're unhappy about an edit. See WP:RV for more guidance.

Second, your new version introduces and exacerbates several issues:

• You've added material to the lead that isn't in the body of the article against the guidance in MOS:LEAD.
• As a result, you've had to add citations to the lead which should generally be unnecessary. See MOS:LEADCITE.
• You've also overcited the text. See WP:OVERCITE.

Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Daniel, thank you for your message - I have addressed your concerns adding plentiful of sources. If you can assure me you won't just undo all my changes, I am happy to continue adding to the article in the body. Note that the article we are not in consensus therefore let's aim to get on the same page. Kellycrak88 (talk) 22:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kellycrak88, thanks for your reply. However, I can't promise not to change the article if it doesn't comply with Wikipedia guidelines, and another editor may also address the same issues. The lead needs significant improvement and it would be better to revert to a previous version at this point. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm currently editing and continuing the improve the article. I need to point out that you were the one to revert all my changes without any edits from yourself to improve to article, so your message above seems a a bit ironic. Again I am requesting that you do not undo all my changes. I am currently working on it. Kellycrak88 (talk) 22:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

It's about the content. As stated in WP:BURDEN: All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Regards. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 23:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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