Talk:Jan Mayen

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Band

There is an Icelandic band called Jan Mayen (listed on Wikipedia for their song Nick Cave). This should be mentioned in the article, with a link to a Wikipedia page about the band once that gets up. See their site for more info: http://myspace.com/janmayen

Yes, why not? If you want to add it you can make a Jan Mayen in popluar culture heading towards the end to put it under. --- Nidator 18:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Missile range?

The Norwegian Defence Forces are considering test-firing missiles over Jan Mayen (presumably the Naval Strike Missile) and this could bring them into conflict with the Directorate for Nature Management ([1]). This could be relevant for the article. -- Nidator 18:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Language variants

This article uses a mix of Am-E and Br-E. We should only use one variant; which? 82.20.28.142 (talk) 12:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assume that British would be best since the place is in Europe, and belongs to Norway where BrE is taught in schools. -- 194.17.253.121 (talk) 12:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've further standardised on Br-E and done some copy editing. 82.20.28.142 (talk) 18:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nordland

This article states Nordland as a Mid-Norwegian county while it is refered to as a Northern-Norwegian county. I cannot say I have ever heard it being refered to as Mid-Norwegian.--EgMeg (talk) 18:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are of course correct. Nordland is a county in North Norway. The counties of Central Norway are Nord-Trøndelag, Sør-Trøndelag and Møre og Romsdal. I will make the required changes. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 20:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hull Whalers discovered Jan Mayen in 1611 or 1612?

As I was looking for information on John Clarke and his exploits at Jan Mayen from 1614 to 1617 I came to Muller's 1874 work, and noticed that he had cited William Scoresby for the claim that Hull whalers had discovered Jan Mayen in 1611 or 1612. I remembered that he was often the source cited by others for this information, so I looked at Scoresby (1820) and realized that Muller had added in parenthesis "(i.e. 1611 of 1612)" after quoting Scoresby's "about the same time" quote. He mistakenly believed Scoresby's vague statement was referring to the year the Dutch were wrongly thought to have discovered the island (1611) or the supposed year of their first involvement in the trade (1612; really 1613). Thinking they both must be referring to Edge's 1622 work, I re-read it and found no reference to the discovery of the island by Hull whalers at such an early date. It appears Scoresby's vague statement, and Muller's added assumption, has resulted in a multitude of authors to repeat this claim; just as was the case for the supposed discovery of Jan Mayen by Hudson in 1607.

Scoresby also believed that this early discovery by the Hull whalers was the reason for King James granting them whaling rights there in 1618. I knew this wasn't true, as the first Hull whaling expedition hadn't reached the island until 1616, the real reason for the granting of the 1618 charter. Jonas Poole (talk) 02:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did John Clarke discover Jan Mayen?

I think Hacquebord may have made a mistake. It appears as though John Clarke (or Jan de Clerke, as the Dutch called him) may have only equipped the expedition, but not have actually sailed on it. A French source (Hamy, 1896; p. 320) says a certain Phoppe Geertzen commanded the expedition that year. Phoppe Geertzen, or Fopp Gerritsz, a Dutchman, had sailed to Spitsbergen the previous year for a company in Dunkirk (perhaps the same one?). I can't quite confirm it, but it looks as though Fopp Gerritsz. is the real discoverer of Jan Mayen, not John Clarke. Jonas Poole (talk) 20:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unverified discoveries

The reference to the black island on fire and its noise, thought by Brendan to be the entrance to hell, is likely to be misplaced in reference to Jan Mayen. Tim Severin provides ample expert advice in 'Severin, Tim (2000) [1978], "9. Island of Smiths", The Brendan Voyage, Random House, pp. 145–157' that this description is very likely to be that of a volcanic eruption occurring at or just below the ocean surface, where the collision of the magma with the seawater produces violent explosions that can throw pumice and ash distances of a mile or more. Eruptions further beneath the surface are contained by the water pressure at depth, while those above the surface are characterized more often by lava flows. The latter land-based type of eruption is also described in reference to Brendan's voyages, and the combination is thought much more likely to have occurred in the vicinity of southeast Iceland, perhaps close to the locale of the modern-day eruptions that produced the new island of Surtsey.

Medieval literature attests not only to Brendan's renown as voyager and explorer, but to his place in a community of west Irish monks who participated in similar activities in the fifth through eighth centuries. Few artifacts are extant as archeological proofs, but there are references in later literature of other cultures, such as the Norse Book of Icelanders (1133), plus place names and event references, that indicate the presence of Irish Christians in Iceland and the Faroe Islands before the arrival of the Vikings. Tim Severin's voyage from Ireland to Newfoundland in a medieval leather boat of Brendan's time also proves the ability of those vessels to navigate throughout the north Atlantic. The medieval chronicle "The Voyage of Saint Brendan the Abbot" (tr 1976 by John J. O'Meara, professor at University College Dublin) describes a seven-year voyage of exploration, not only to the west, but in its earlier portions, to the north. While there are no easily identifiable references, Jan Mayen lies well within range of the ships of the time, in seas that were actively explored and in some cases settled. Evensteven (talk) 16:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've tended to suspect it was a marine volcano off Iceland. I can't really see it having been Jan Mayen, as it's even more off the beaten track. The idea that it might be Svalbard is more plausible.-MacRùsgail (talk) 17:24, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The main thing is the behavior of the type of eruption, close to the surface, and its similarities to Brendan's descriptions. It is thought more likely that eruptions of that kind are to be found around Iceland, as such volcanic activity is not prevalent at Jan Mayen. Thus, it seems more likely that this particular incident occurred closer to Iceland. However, that is not to say that Brendan did not sail to Jan Mayen (though we lack specific evidence, even in early accounts). Severin's voyage proved the boats were capable of going there. Brendan himself took seven years to explore, not necessarily heading directly for North America. There was time for him to take such a detour, if he happened to do so. Severin details aspects of summer weather that make sailing in the far north Atlantic much more feasible for traveling west than lower latitudes, but also no hindrance to going further northwards. Severin discounts a trip to Svalbard, as it is much further north and east and "out of the way". Evensteven (talk) 00:07, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have the Severin book at home. Obviously while it proves the journey was possible, it doesn't necessarily mean it happened... Personally I think such voyages were taking place (whether they reached to Greenland or beyond is another matter), but the impression I get is of a journey generally going in a westward direction (from the descriptions), which could have been navigated by the positions of the Sun and the stars. Not it ruling out, just my feeling here.

I think the journey was incredibly risky already, but Jan Mayen isn't really on the way to anywhere apart from bleaker areas of Greenland, and part of me wonders if a trip there could be one way. (Add to which, it is an incredibly barren and cold place in its own right, which is why it's never been properly colonised, even in modern times.) As for the seven years, yes, I'm aware of that, but it is perhaps either any exaggeration (seven is after all, a sacred and magical number), or it includes times when they wintered at various locations.-MacRùsgail (talk) 16:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

EEZ

The 200 nm EEZ equals to 273,118 square km — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.113.247.191 (talk) 20:36, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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