Talk:Lemuriformes

Lemuriformes does *not* include lorises

Hi, I'm just writing in because the vast majority of strepsirrhine primatologists (myself included, to be entirely open about my biases) do not include Lorises as superfamily lorisoidea in Lemuriformes, but rather in their own infraorder the Lorisiformes. Parvorder Strepsirrhini includes either two or three infraorders: Lemuriformes, Lorisiformes, and (variably accepted but with solid taxonomic basis) Chiromyiformes (Aye-Ayes). I'm leaving this comment to solicit input from anyone who might have a good idea about why wiki groups them in such a way; being rather new to the editing process I don't want to step on any toes by simply editing the page outright. If people would like sources for my claims (entirely reasonable and right) I will provide them below, and I will absolutely and obviously do the same for any later modifications I make to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Homoqwertyensis (talk • contribs) 17:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate your input. This topic has been carefully addressed at WP:PRIMATE and FAC, and although primatologists favor using Lorisiformes, there are also paleoanthropologists who instead favor this arrangement—I presume because they have to deal with the much more diverse extinct strepsirrhines. In writing numerous articles about strepsirrhines here on Wikipedia, including articles that discuss their peculiar adaptations, using the primatologist-favored taxonomy makes it very difficult to describe the lemur-lorisoid clade. Often in the primatology texts, generalizations are made about extant strepsirrhines that are not true, such as "all strepsirrhines have a toothcomb". There are several unique traits that define lemurs and lorisoids as a clade, separate from the Adapiformes, and this clade needs a name for clarification. With your taxonomy, there is no official clade name other than "extant strepsirrhines". Because of this lack of clarity, abundance of confusion, and lack of universal use in closely related fields, we decided to not favor the taxonomy used in primatology, but instead use the taxonomy used on this page. This has made it significantly easier to write about all strepsirrhines (extinct and extant), and has allowed us to address common misconceptions. I apologize that this page does not discuss the alternative taxonomy as other articles (Strepsirrhini, Lemur, Taxonomy of lemurs, etc.) do. I created this page quickly and planned to come back to it for a complete re-write... but never found time. If I can, I'll make time tomorrow to discuss the alternatives. – Maky ^« talk » 06:59, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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