Talk:Turkish Cypriots

Inaccuracies

1. At the end of the article, it is mentioned that "the division of the island led to an economic embargo against the Turkish Cypriots by the Greek Cypriot controlled Republic of Cyprus.". The Greek Cypriot controlled Republic of Cyprus, or the Greek Cypriots may have supported the idea of having an economic embargo on the Turkish occupied part of the island, but they actual embargo was implemented by all the countries who do not recognise the TRNC, that is all countries in the world with the exception of Turkey. 2. Following the Ottoman rule, many islanders converted into Islam in echange for less harsh taxation from the Empire, not by choice. After the administration was passed on to Britain, many of those who converted to Islam, wanted to convert back to Christianity. The Church of Cyprus turned down this request and, on top of that, on many occasions the same people were treated with hostility from the Greek Cypriots. As it was expected, the same people turned back to Turkey to seek protection. In a way, this was the birth of the so called 2 communities on the island. Prior to that, everyone was a Cypriot, without any differenciation between Greek or Turkish, regardless of their background. 3. EOKA and EOKA-B are mentioned, but I have not seen anything on TMT, which is a serious ommission.

Comments about "sold brides"

I have copied the following comment made by 172.103.228.163 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), originating from Canada, to this talk page. It was made in the article text, and reverted by the automated "robot" ClueBot NG as "possible vandalism". However it is not vandalism. It appears to be a good faith comment that was made on the wrong page. The comment was:

This article is far from truth, I’m a decent of one of these Turkish Cypriot Muslim ladies who you are describing as sold brides !!; I can confirm that my grandfather married my grandmother as his first and last wife and established a solid family with five children.

So please stope distributing this kind of bullshit !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.103.228.163 (talk • contribs) 00:25, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

There was also this edit by a different user originating from Tel Aviv, 2.53.143.115 (talk · contribs · WHOIS): [1] which made some criticism of the same section, and was reverted by Cinadon36 without comment. Although the edit did not meet Wikipedia's criteria for acceptable contributions, it also was not vandalism and appears to be a good faith edit. As such it requires serious consideration and at least an explanation for its removal.

I haven't had time to look into the issue, and I'm aware that not everyone is who they say they are... but given these comments, maybe there could be a review of this section to make sure it's in line with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies? Thanks...

--IamNotU (talk) 01:32, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

• This is based on a groundbreaking book by Neriman Cahit, one of the foremost works on women's history in the Turkish Cypriot community. The book is impeccably researched and is a reliable source. It makes sense that not everyone would be comfortable with that bit of their family history, and given the traditional upbringing of these women, we have no reason to believe they would necessarily disclose the nature of their marriage to their descendants. In any case, anecdotal evidence from a couple of users is not nearly enough to go against the source. --GGT (talk) 13:11, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks GGT - you're correct that there's no reason to go against the source based on anecdotes. However, when dealing with a sensitive subject, especially if there are complaints, it's not a bad idea to look it over and make sure the guidelines are being followed. For example, although Cahit's book is mentioned, there's no actual citation of it, with page numbers etc. It's unfortunate that there's no Google preview of the book. Are there not any other books that cover the subject? We should also verify that statements made in the article are actually in the sources. For example the statement that Arabs "posed as wealthy doctors and engineers" is not found in the given source (though I think it is in the other one).

Some additional context about arranged marriages and bride price, and the fact that this was still a common custom in many places in the Levant, might help to avoid the impression that thousands of Turkish Cypriots callously "sold" their children for a pittance to unscrupulous foreign men for sex... The situations and hardships faced by the girls and their families were surely more complex. We shouldn't shy away from facts, nor downplay the repercussions of child marriage. But at the same time we should be careful not to unnecessarily demonize people or oversimplify their motivations. --IamNotU (talk) 19:00, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

PS, I just found this source that explains some of the issues around the term "sold", and why the makers of the documentary mentioned in the article don't use it: [2] --IamNotU (talk) 19:23, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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Genetic Studies Section Stub?

So, the section only vaguely mentions Y-DNA studies (apparently only one?). Nothing said about Mitochondrial, Matrilineal studies. Unfortunately, decades into DNA technological breakthroughs, so many studies are haphazard or incomplete, yet so many people take for granted that these studies don't really say what they are led to think they say.

For example, if Turkish Cypriots have more Y-DNA in common with Turks on the mainland, or in Central Asia, but their Mitochondrial DNA/RNA doesn't match, then their ancestry would essentially be Turkish Conquerors and European Mothers (The Pirate Lord Barbarossa had such ancestry, as did many Sultans).2603:7080:CB3F:5032:6C08:C6BB:D786:9226 (talk) 01:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)