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The image should represent the most significant revolution in history. That would be either the American Revolution, the French Revolution or the Revolutions of 1989.Luis Napoles (talk) 08:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luis, you seem to view the template as the plural "revolutions" which it is not. It is for the concept and idea of "revolution" in all of its various forms. Nevertheless, I would agree with part of your contention that the American & French revolutions are seen as the most significant, and thus I have inserted the most famous & iconic image from the French Revolution (Lady Liberty Leading the People) instead. I hope this is a Wp:Goodfaith compromise you can agree to. Redthoreau (talk)RT 18:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who determines how to measure significance? Could the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 have had a larger impact on the world? JoeAmazon (talk) 07:27, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2011

I wanted to include the Revolutions of 2011 but I feel this event has yet to play itself out fully, so I recommend waiting until everything settles down to some extent before determining whether 2011 is notable enough to include in the Revolutions sidebar. (My guess: probably.) Included the Revolutions of 1989, though. — Rickyrab | Talk 03:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thumbnail for the article on fascism is wrong.

Hello, there is an error. When one searches for the word fascism in the Wikipedia search field, there is a thumbnail of Lady Liberty displayed.

JoeAmazon (talk) 04:40, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@JoeAmazon: I looked over it. OK, so the thing is, is that no, it is not an error. The first sentence in the second paragraph states:

Fascists saw World War I as a revolution that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state and technology.

--Biografer (talk) 05:08, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of historians (led by George Mosse) emphasize that fascism was a popular mass movement aggressively attacking the status quo.--which is what the Delacroix painting illustrates regarding the overthrow of the French monarchy in 1830. Lady Liberty (referring to liberalism) is associated with liberal revolutions (but not Communist or fascist or reactionary ones) -- it's visually impressive regarding an angry mob demanding change in the hope of utopia. On fascism-is-revolutionary and popular, see: 1) Fascism, Architecture, and the Claiming of Modern Milan, 1922-1943 by Lucy M. Maulsby - 2014: "fascism began as a urban political movement, and its initial supporters were disgruntled war veterans, ... The Fasciodi Combattimento (the name Mussolini gave to his organization) fostered a rough and revolutionary popular image." 2) Italian historian De Felice emphasized Mussolini's roots in Revolutionary movements. He argued fascism in its early phase had a "clear Revolutionary agenda" see https://books.google.com/books?id=3C8ABwAAQBAJ&pg=PA303 3) Elise K. Tipton - 1990 - ‎says, "European fascist movements invariably described themselves as revolutionary" 4) As James Gregor says, "The first fascists... articulated the rationale for political violence as ancillary to their revolutionary enterprise" see https://books.google.com/books?id=ZqlgBwP86YoC&pg=PA152 Rjensen (talk) 05:12, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@JoeAmazon: And you were saying that is barren over here...--Biografer (talk) 05:31, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have access to a desktop and keyboard at the moment and I'm finger typing on a cheap smartphone so I don't have the liberty to be super articulate at this time.

Who choose this photo to be the thumbnail that people see to represent the the article on fascism? The photo is for the general revolution article. The fascism sidebar has it's own symbol for fascism so why isn't that used instead? I know you understand what I'm getting at here. The argument for why the fascism article is under the series on revolution is irrelevant to why this photo is being chosen to REPRESENT fascism. Like as if revolution is what defines fascism.

Who chose the photo to represent fascism? Like I said that's not the photo for the fascism portal. That's the photo for the series on revolution. Is the Russian revolution of 1917 in that series too? Surely you wouldn't show a thumbnail of Liberty Leading the People for that article right? JoeAmazon (talk) 07:16, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a photo representing fascism, it's painting on this sidebar which is the Revolution sidebar and there's no chance it will be removed. Every article with the revolution sidebar has the same sidebar, same painting. You're making the wrong argument. Doug Weller talk 08:22, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And yes you are making my point that it's not a photo representing fascism which is why it should not be displayed as the thumbnail for the fascism article in a wiki search. Isn't it a bit fascist to say that there is no chance it will be changed here on Wikipedia of all places?

I'm not talking about the photo for the revolution sidebar. I'm talking about the thumbnail for the fascism article. It's real simple dude - when a person goes to Wikipedia and starts typing the word fascism in the search field and the articles start popping up as you type each letter and then as the article for fascism appears on the top a thumbnail photo is displayed of Liberty Leading the People. That is the wrong thumbnail. That is the thumbnail for the revolution article. The thumbnail for the fascism sidebar is the correct thumbnail.

Also you are not answering the direct questions I'm asking.

Answer them. JoeAmazon (talk) 10:25, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: From what I am getting, he is talking about Fascism portal, but I don't seem to see his issue. The image that is displayed there is this.--Biografer (talk) 15:38, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Biografer: no, he's upset about Fascism itself having the revolution sidebar with its image. Which of course isn't meant to represent fascism. He started the discussion with "The historical French painting of Liberty Leading the People is extremely inappropriate for a thumbnail to represent this article." But to get rid of it you'd have to remove the revolution sidebar, or change the image here. Doug Weller talk 15:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So, lost cause?--Biografer (talk) 15:46, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can't recreate the problem on my iPhone, but I'm pretty certain that it is not something that regular editors can fix. That's why I suggested (secondarily) that JoeAmazon take it to WP:VPT. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:06, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a plan, will ping him to see his reaction. @JoeAmazon:.--Biografer (talk) 00:37, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]