User talk:Anyeverybody/Archives/2008/October

Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier

Somethings up with the thumbnail

Any, would you be able to make an image of the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier in STOVL configuration (with the ramp)? The latest image is Image:PA2.svg, which is of the French PA-2 in CATOBAR configuration, which is not likely to even be built at this point, at least not to that design. Not a real priority, but even tho I've removed the PA2 image, I have a feeling it will be restored soon. Thanks for whatever you can do. - BillCJ (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

This shouldn't be difficult, I'll use the current SVG as a starting point (with attribution to the artist of course) which should save time.

On an unrelated note, do you happen to know where I can find an image of a VMFA-323 F-4 from 1971, or a description of its appearance? Anynobody(?) 22:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks good so far! Is that the final product. or are you still tweaking it? Just let me know when it's usable. As to the F-4, you should probably ask at WT:AIR and WT:MILHIST. User:E2a2j is/was a Hornet pilot, and he may know of some sources also. I'll look around in some of me Vietnam-coverage books, and see if there's a pic I can scan for you. - BillCJ (talk) 04:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna tweak it a bit, maybe add more a/c this is the source I'm currently using.

Thanks for the help, suggestions regarding the elusive phantom. Anynobody(?) 04:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Unrelated, I found this drawing of an early LHA-6 concept for the USN before they settled on a monified-Makin Island design. It's a very interesting concept, with a CVN-style deck planfom, but with the islands on the deck centerline, helicopter landing on the left, and a ski-jump! I had always wondered why the USN had not adopted the ski-jump, and the best reason I could fined was that it takes up deck space the USN didn't want to lose for operating helicopters, and that the long deck of the LHA/LHDs made the longer deck runs for STOVL aircraft made the sk-jump unnecessary. This design shows they Navy/MC would at least use a ski-jump if it did not interfere with helicopter operations. Just like the Spanish Navy used the 1970s CVV-Sea Control Ship design for the Principe de Asturias, I wouldn't be suprised if this "dual tram" design showed up somewhere in the future. I think such a design would have worked for the QEs if they hand't been required to be convertible to CATOBAR config. At some point in the future, I'd love to have a good image of that, if you are ever able to work one up. It does show the USN at least looked alternatives to the axial-deck LHA/LHD config, tho it may just end up being a curiosity like the flush-deck United States, and the original Forrestal deck layout. Interesting enough, I found a book illustration of the original Forrestal design, and the angled portiones are even more angled than on the United States, though of course they were to be used for launching, not landing. However, I don't think it would have been very long before some naval aviator in trouble on landing would have invented the bolter! - BillCJ (talk) 04:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the thumbnail is taking so long to update, but when it does the image is good to go.

I agree with you that the Navy probably didn't want to sacrifice deck space for choppers. (Personally I've always wondered why either the Brits or USN didn't try to figure out a retractable ramp, maybe steam powered.) I'm pretty convinced the two island idea, while looking kinda cool, is dumb because no matter where the second island is it uses deck space. I understand why separating antennae is necessary but it could be done without another island. (For example on the QEII the second island eats up space which could be used for a ready service area.)

When I was younger I drew up plans for a trimaran LHA with a flight deck shaped kinda like an "H" with the horizontal line replaced by a box where two elevators and a service area. (The elevators went to small a "lobby hangar" where aircraft go either into the port/starboard hangars. Below that was the well deck, but only for basic support this ship would've had most of its space dedicated to air ops, think I called it a LHV or something like that.) Anynobody(?) 01:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Trimaran? Very interesting! Yeah, I've wonderes about retractable ramps too. The images I've seen of the land-based test ramps both the British and the US have look to be adjustable, as one might expect from the test faciliteis the ramps were at. Not a large jump in concept to a ramp that can lay flush with the deck until needed. As to the image, does it usually take tht long to load (over 24 hours)? The thumbnail of the old image is visible on the image page, but neither the thumbnail nor the main image are showing yet. I don't upload many images, and none that were not self-created/modified, so I don't have a clue if that length of time is normal. Btw, would it be better to rename the image from Image:Pa2 uk.svg to something about the QE class?

On the thumbnail issue, I've seen it go for a few days but this usually only happens to gif files. However there seems to now be a similar issue with svgs; Commons:Graphics village pump#Trouble with SVG image. As to the file name I usually stick to variations on the original name when I use someone else's work so that it's obvious the two are related in a search. Anynobody(?) 05:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, understood. Hopefully it won't take too long. -

It works! I redid the resolution, dunno if that had anything to do with it or what. Anynobody(?) 03:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)