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WP:BLUDGEONing in AfD
[edit]Please do not bludgeon the process in AfD discussions, as that is considered disruptive editing. Your comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emily Prentiss (2nd nomination) are heavily out of line and it is frowned upon to attempt to force people to change their minds using a WP:WALLOFTEXT. If you worked hard on the article and improved it to the point it is notable, a simple statement will suffice and it ought to be self-evident to other editors. If it is not, then it probably has greater sourcing concerns that cannot be WP:OVERCOME by simple editing. Either way, no editor WP:OWNs any one Wikipedia article or can dictate what happens to it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not bludgeoning to put detail and effort into replies to arguments regarding a deletion of an article. DocZach (talk) 21:53, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Going into detail is completely unnecessary, though. The answer to literally any AfD is extremely short. "Here are the three best significant, secondary sources that prove the article passes WP:GNG and is important enough not to be merged. [Source 1] [Source 2] [Source 3]. Please reconsider your nomination." If you cannot find these, anything else is just bluster. If these sources get shot down (as Pokelego did in the latter part of the discussion), then you're probably wrong and the article isn't actually notable.
- Given how incredibly short your response has to be, there's something very wrong if you are forced to write essays in defense of an article. The sources will do the heavy lifting... or not. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- The sources that you seem to have not even read if you are claiming that they don't cover Emily Prentiss herself. DocZach (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- I entirely concur with Zx here, and I was about to make a comment myself at the AfD. I won't reopen the Prentiss sourcing discussion here since that is better handled at the AfD, but BLUDGEONing, regardless of the strength of your arguments, is detrimental to discussion. I'd suggest stepping back and letting the discussion progress naturally; your point's been digested, and it's up to how other editors feel about your points to make them decide if they want to change their minds on restoring the redirect or not. Continuing to push the point just disrupts the ability for discussion to develop and can even make your side seem weaker if you just keep pushing the point over and over. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Alright. DocZach (talk) 04:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- I entirely concur with Zx here, and I was about to make a comment myself at the AfD. I won't reopen the Prentiss sourcing discussion here since that is better handled at the AfD, but BLUDGEONing, regardless of the strength of your arguments, is detrimental to discussion. I'd suggest stepping back and letting the discussion progress naturally; your point's been digested, and it's up to how other editors feel about your points to make them decide if they want to change their minds on restoring the redirect or not. Continuing to push the point just disrupts the ability for discussion to develop and can even make your side seem weaker if you just keep pushing the point over and over. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- The sources that you seem to have not even read if you are claiming that they don't cover Emily Prentiss herself. DocZach (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
i for one, think you shouldnot apologize for notifyig me anout the AFD there. Crafterstar (talk) 23:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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| You honestly deserve a barnstar. I want to be clear that I recognize your hard work and diligence. I know that we don’t agree on a number of things, but please do not take it personal. I do believe you have GREAT and honorable intentions, and that you’re not looking to be disruptive. Conflict is a natural course of things, not that we should seek it out, but also we should know how to work through things like adults, and things like the notice boards are a tool to assist in that process. The good news is that we don’t have to agree. Cheers! TiggerJay (talk) 06:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC) |