Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1974 Surgut mid-air collision

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s. If anyone wishes to merge a sentence or two to the airport article, you can do so - the content is preserved behind the redirect. Daniel (talk) 09:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1974 Surgut mid-air collision

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: There exists no reliable independent (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no (sustained) continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects nor long-term impacts on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Aviation, Transportation, and Russia. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Mid-air collision Yet another major aviation incident that russia was completely tight lipped about, sadly, even though its tragic, due to Russia's secrecy it cant warrant an article. if this took place anywhere else it would stand as an article itself. Lolzer3k 14:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s. Incident is sufficiently covered there. Meltdown627 (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shadow311 (talk) 23:12, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This seems to have been an accident of some sort of airline flight. Plus, there were many casualties. If we can find sources and the airline's name, I'll say keep. If not, then as the others said, merge and redirect. The article does need to get fixed. Jeanette Ma' Bakker Martin (talk to me) 00:22, 9 October, 2024 (UTC)
There is detailed information about the accident in an external link to this article. Kostja (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s per Meltdown627. This is a WP:News article without any secondary coverage to meet GNG, and there's nothing about fatal accidents that makes them inherently notable. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. An air accident that kills 14 people is clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not solely inherented because of the casualty count. For the most part, a topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources which this event lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Surgut International Airport as it meets the criteria for inclusion under an accidents and incidents section of that article per WP:AIRCRASH. I disagree with that this accident is not notable nor significant in its impact or effects. The main issue here is verifiability rather than notability. As Lolzer3k points out, thanks to Soviet control and censorship of the media at the time, there are unlikely to be enough reliable, independent sources available to bring it up to meet the threshold for a stand alone article under current content policies. Dfadden (talk) 12:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There are there certainly reliable secondary sources, including in-depth coverage of this accident. One of these is actually linked to this article. Of course, these sources are nearly all in Russian, but this in itself doesn't disqualify them. Kostja (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's more of a tertiary source/databse than a secondary source. The linked entry does not cite any sources for its information and per this discussion, the website, a self-published source, seems to have multiple issues, that make it generally unreliable. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added another ref to the article from a database hosted by Scramble, the magazine of the Dutch Aviation Society [1]. Probably not enough on its own, but I would consider this an independent secondary source, quality tbd. Dfadden (talk) 01:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The website states that it's a database (a tertiary source), so it's still not a secondary source. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 01:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is no consensus here right now. We have 3 different Merge/Redirect target articles suggested, two editors arguing for Keep and the nominator's Deletion nomination. Looks like No consensus right now so I'm going to give this discussion some more time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s per various. Add a single sentence at Surgut International Airport. Database references are not sufficient for passing WP:GNG or WP:RS but can be included at the Surgut Airport article. I wonder if anything was ever printed in any Soviet newspaper? Mr.choppers | ✎ 14:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s. No SIGCOV to warrant a standalone, and databases like those mentioned above are not secondary coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 01:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.