Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Egyptian Yoga

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 00:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Egyptian Yoga

No reliable independent sources to establish notability. Seems to be an advertisement for this theory's advocates. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are other authors who wrote about Egyptian yoga, more exactly Irano-Egyptian yoga, in the past : Dr Sambucy, Hanish, Elisabeth Haich. But their researchs in this field were limited. The existence of a yoga in Egypt doesn't reduce the importance of Indian yoga and doesn't mean that yoga comes from Egypt. About the question of reliable sources, doesn't Geneviève Lebaud, wife of Babacar Khane, can be considered as a reliable source in the field of Ancient Egypt : she is Professor Agrégée, Dr es Lettres, and graduate in Egyptology of the University of Montpellier ? Other reliable sources can be seen in Egyptian temples, tombs, and museums. I will add some pictures and other references next time. For a yoga teacher, there can be no doubt about the yogic nature of some Egyptian representations.HID-IIY (talk) 01:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 17:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Geneviève Lebaud-Khane was researcher at the IFAN (Institut Fondamental d'Afrique Noire, University of Dakar. Her 2 articles, listed in the bibliography, were selected and approved for publication by the scientific committee of the IFAN. She presented a communication about Egyptian yoga during the Symposium about Pr. Cheikh Anta Diop, organized in 1982, in the University of Dakar. There has been added a paragraph and references about the authors who wrote about Egyptian yoga or "Yoga irano-égyptien".HID-IIY (talk) 23:00, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the presentation of this article and added a lot of references. Do you mean it is still not neutral enough? HID-IIY (talk) 14:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article is now well sourced, and a Google Books search shows that plenty of people have written about the subject. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WITHDRAW Okay, fair enough. I'm always sympathetic to an editor who is willing to work on and improve an article, and HID-IIY has been doing that. Can one of you add some independent references? The article as it is now seems to be sourced exclusively to an author and his wife, and so struck me as promotional. It also needs some clean-up and tightening and intro work. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete For the record, I don't think this article can be salvaged without a complete rewrite using independent sources that have not yet been identified. The topic appears to be a advertising gimmick for yoga. --Ronz (talk) 00:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That's really my concern. ~~But I am now convinced it can be addressed by improving the article.~~ ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to help. I think the first step is to get HID-IIY to be a bit more aware of our concerns and the Wiki policies/guidelines. --Ronz (talk) 01:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am revoking my withdrawal request. Given the COI and promotional concerns of several editors, see wp:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Egyptian Yoga for some of the background, I'm not sure the article is salvagable. The topic is notable, but would it be more appropriate to start with a clean slate? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Original research, sources from the group that's promoting this kind of yoga...this article appears to be an unsalvageable mess. I'm also not certain it's a notable topic. Those sources look to all be from a walled garden of enthusiasts for a specific guru, so no secondary sources have taken notice. Flopsy Mopsy and Cottonmouth (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for previous reasons of unsalvageability, as well as lack of reliable third-party sourcing (unless a major independent revision brings it up to scratch). The current level of sourcing, reliability and neutrality is ghastly:

"The independent and reliable sources are the Ancient-Egyptian sources: you have just to look and see the representations of yoga postures in some Egyptian temples, graves and museums.

And Stonehenge is a spaceport. You can see just by looking at it.

Editors may care to check out the associated article Babacar Khane, which appears to have grown in the same walled garden.Gordonofcartoon (talk) 02:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.