Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patty Willis

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The result was keep. SNOW, nominator agrees. Thanks to all. Drmies (talk) 18:12, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Patty Willis

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Notability. Sources are broken or unretrievable, and even if WP:V is met for what they claim, her notability is still unclear. Many women were flying in the 1920s and 1930s - more than "couldn't get an aircraft to fly in the Derby" would be needed. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:31, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator, thanks to the sources indicated by Uncle G. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is this Patty Willis, M. Dingley; the one who was at the 1929 Powder Puff Derby, who was in the Ninety-Nines, and is in quite a lot of history books, as well as elsewhere. In the photograph of the 1929 Derby entrants in chapter 3 of ISBN 9780875654805 (which is in the Louise McPhetridge Thaden Collection at the Smithsonian), she is the third one along, alongside Amelia Earhart and Pancho Barnes. She's in magazines as well as history books. She flew with Barnes and Bobbi Trout, as Mary Charles' co-pilot in the Women's Air Reserve tour of 1934, according to the July 1981 issue of Vintage Airplane. Yes, that Patty Willis. Uncle G (talk) 23:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, that makes things a lot clearer. If only some of that had made it into the original article. I'd tried searching for her, but Willis is a common enough name and I couldn't see through the chaff. I'll withdraw this in a bit (busy right now).
  Can you possibly explain why there's no mention of her at Powder Puff Derby, when it lists all 20 competitors? Is her involvement sufficient to warrant mention? Andy Dingley (talk) 11:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - There were more than 20 entrants. Buffington 1964, p. 222 states that Marjorie Crawford, Patty Willis, and Mabel Waters were among those who dropped out before the race actually started. Uncle G (talk) 18:16, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Buffington, H. Glenn (Fall 1964). "The First Women's Air Derby". American Aviation Historical Society Journal: 222–224. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)CS1 maint: date and year (link)
Keep per Uncle G. The article is deserving of expansion, not deletion. RobDuch (talk) 06:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep And then there is Gene Nora Jessen (2002). Powder Puff Derby of 1929. Sourcebooks, Inc. pp. 34 & 49. ISBN 9781402229725. Retrieved 18 June 2019., with a picture of the fliers, including Ms. Willis, on Page 49. And a photo of her with the 99s in Shawna Kelly (2008). Aviators in Early Hollywood. Arcadia Publishing. p. 41. ISBN 9780738559025. Retrieved 18 June 2019. Clearly only a beginning, but it does appear there are sufficient sources to establish notability. Much is available to expand the references in the article. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 20:00, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I used what I could find in a quick Google search, hoping somebody would come along with better sources. IMO, she deserves a page. Phx138 (talk) 20:47, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Andy Dingley, are you convinced? Shall I close this? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'd been hoping to get time to start expanding it, but haven't had a chance yet. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:31, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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