Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S.T.A.R. Labs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to List of DC Universe locations. Views were split between keep, redirect, merge and delete - this seems the most suitable compromise that was also asked for by some editors. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

S.T.A.R. Labs

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Minor comic book location. As usual, we just have a plot summary and a list of comics and related media it appears in. No analysis, reception, etc. Refs are mostly comics themselves supplemented by a few comic book summaries (illustrated plot summaries for fans) like The DC Comics Encyclopedia. Fails WP:GNG. The best WP:ATD I can think of would be redirecting this to List of DC Universe locations. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:42, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Comics and animation. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:42, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG, article is largely an example farm and pure plot information. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of DC Universe locations where there is already a short entry for this topic. Rhino131 (talk) 14:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of DC Universe locations. This is a good target for this. Otherwise, there is no analysis of the location suitable to satisfy GNG. Conyo14 (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect The location has significance in universe but not in, it is the main setting for The Flash (2014 TV series) if source can be found on that verison I would say Keep. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I have found source.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Significant fictional location akin to other existing articles. Improve, rewrite, expand. AFD is not the place for cleanup. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 19:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per above is all redirect. Nothing above has advocated a clear keep !vote. Conyo14 (talk) 22:31, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- OLIfanofmrtennant said keep if a source can be found. I'd concur with that. In general, I prefer keeping arricles instead of redirecting or deleting them. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 23:16, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Bookworm857158367: I found a few sources, this talks about the titans version compared to the arrowverse version [1], this talks about various arrowverse settings including S.T.A.R. Labs [2], [3], [4] talks about the Gotham Knights verison, and this [5] compares the Naomi verison to the arrowverse version although very breifly confirming that its seprate atleast, [6] arrowverse again, and this talks about how Ryan Choi works there in the DCEU[7]~~~
  Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:05, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or keep Super Skills, Super Reading - Literacy and Television Superheroes has a 2+ page chapter dedicated to S.T.A.R. labs, i.e. significant coverage. There are a number of other sources which are shorter and/or focussed on plot summary. So if this should deemed not enough for a stand-alone article, this deserves more than the one dry sentence at the suggested redirect. At the very least, throwing out the sources we have in favour of the unsourced definition at List of DC Universe locations seems like a step backwards. Daranios (talk) 08:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Daranios Hmmm, it looks good, but I read it and I am having trouble piecing together even a single sentence of summary for an analysis section. Anything you can do? I fear this is a lot of "emtpy talk about nothing", plot summary and some vague beating around the theory woods, but perhaps I am tired... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:12, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus: I've done my take on this. Daranios (talk) 15:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'd certainly support merging your addition to the article about the show proper, but I am not sure if the location is notable. Certainly, 98% of the text we have is plot and listcruft :( _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: I found various sources you can try.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This is more of a No consensus discussion than I've seen in a while. While participation has been great here (especially compared to so many other AFDs), we still need to reach a rough consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 09:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

●Keep or Merge- per above 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:51, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep has some news coverage from just a single Google search, probably notable enough. AryKun (talk) 20:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't TVLine not a reliable source? Or am I confusing that with something similar. Conyo14 (talk) 20:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
TV Line is listed as reliable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/FAQ. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 00:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I was definitely thinking of something else. Conyo14 (talk) 01:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the claims of @OlifanofmrTennant:, @Daranios:, and @AryKun:. --Rtkat3 (talk) 18:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of DC Universe locations: Fancruft. Sources do not show WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. This has sources for a paragraph, not an article and the fancruft should be deleted entirely. // Timothy :: talk 11:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.