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Brian Ogola

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Brian Ogola (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Procedural nomination per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 12#Brian Ogola. Article was BLARed in 2019 because it was "too outdated" (according to the editor who redirected it). CycloneYoris talk! 07:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe keep. I do think there is a credible claim to his passing WP:NACTOR for multiple notable roles. From looking at his IMDB he actually has some lead roles in content available on Netflix (for example https://nairobiwire.com/2020/10/meet-poacher-actor-brian-ogola.html ). The trouble with African media is the press is often ridiculous in its puffery so finding usable sources is often challenging because many of the newspapers get discredited at AFD for being over the top promotional. Based on his work, I say he passes an SNG, but based on sourcing I don't think we will be able to find WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 07:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas Kuria

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Non-notable Kenyan businessman fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO None of the coverage is WP:SIGCOV of him, it's all focused on the companies he works for or on his father, from whom notability cannot be WP:INHERITED. The last AfD resulted in draftification at the request of the page creator, but the article was returned by its creator to mainspace with no improvements, so I would not support that alternative again. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Kenya. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It would be helpful if the nominator gave us a source analysis and discussed why each specific source does not meet the criteria at WP:SIGCOV. It's asking a lot of your audience to go through all that material without knowing your thinking up front.4meter4 (talk) 17:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There’s no requirement for a nominator to offer a source-by-source analysis (I only do so proactively when sources are debatable). In this case there’s no SIGCOV of the subject, as I noted in my nomination. Participants are welcome to evaluate them to see if they agree, as I do when I participate in AfDs. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not nom, but I've had a look anyway. Source 1 is WordPress, considered unreliable. Source 2 probably okay, but doesn't mention anything about his father. Had to go to the archive for source 3, since it redirects back to the main page for some reason, but it doesn't mention when he became CEO. Same reason to find source 4, doesn't support sentence. Neither do sources 5 or 6, which don't mention him at all. Source 7 probably okay. Source 8 only says that it is owned by him and his family, so no idea why individual family members are listed. Source 9 is basically a list of richest people from Embu, not sure how reliable that is, so won't conclude on that. Source 10 is probably okay (went to archive). Source 11 doesn't mention him at all. Procyon117 (talk) 15:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the source analysis by Procyon117 who identified three good sources. That meets WP:THREE and therefore WP:SIGCOV. Any content issue can be solved through normal editing. Best.4meter4 (talk) 22:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @4meter4, @Procyon117's analysis is unconvincing.
    • Source 2: An article about Kuria's company with two mentions of him being quoted in the context of his job, not WP:SIGCOV:
      • Neo Kenya Mpya CEO Douglas Kuria is optimistic that they will adopt electric buses, but he is not going “all money in” at the moment.
      • “We are starting with this vehicle for courier services. We want to have electric buses too, so this is for us to have the knowledge and gain experience,” Mr Kuria said. “We feel towards 2024 we need to have partnerships like this towards what we want to achieve.” He, however, would not say when the company will go fully electric. “Even the first world countries have not really fully replaced theirs (for electric), that is why we have a research and improvement arm, ‘Transport for Tomorrow’ purposed to drive our logistics to a different level.” Kuria said the idea of converting their buses to electric is also not viable. “When it comes to technology we do not want to have a barrier on what it (technology) can do, but we believe the best way around it is to have a new bus that is fully electric rather than a conversion,” he said.
    • Source 7, labeled "probably okay" by Procyon117, doesn't even mention Kuria at all. has a single quotation from Kuria (under an alternative name): "Neo Kenya Mpya CEO Douglas Njiru praised the innovation as the solution to the congestion at matatu termini. “With this system, we are able to get real-time data of the number of buses at the stage and those on the road, while passengers can see from the app those available for booking,” he explained."
    • Source 10 mentions Kuria in three photo captions and quotes him once: “We are optimistic that META Electric T3 Vans will play a part in reducing the huge proportion of greenhouse gasses that comes from passenger transport. We must all work together with Government to improve planning of city roads, terminus and parking spaces so that EVs can seamlessly substitute diesel-powered vehicles. Our goal is that at least ten percent of our fleet is powered sustainably by 2025. Said Douglas Kuria, CEO of Neo Kenya Mpya Limited.
    Let me know how you think these constitute WP:SIGCOV, particularly the one that doesn't mention Kuria. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not confident you are identifying the same three sources, but I’ve scratched my keep vote. Please be civil.4meter4 (talk) 00:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I linked to sources 2, 7 and 10, which are the ones Procyon117 said were "probably okay." This is the second time in a matter of minutes you've accused me of incivility. What was uncivil about my comment? You are a very experienced editor, so I am genuinely trying to understand what you saw in Procyon117's sources that I didn't. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I tried having a crack at it even though I'm not the best at analysing sources. Source 7 I think actually does mention Kuria, albeit with the name Njiru (I went by the beginning of the article, which does use Njiru). Procyon117 (talk) 07:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I wasn't convinced that notability was met, I probably should have clarified. Procyon117 (talk) 07:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procyon117, I apologize for my mistake (wasn't looking for alternate names) and have adjusted my comment above. I still think it's not WP:SIGCOV since it's just a single mention. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, and upon reading your rebuttal of sources 2, 7 and 10, I agree with you. Procyon117 (talk) 15:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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