User talk:Zhnka

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Egyptian Arabic conjugation

Hey,

The conjugation tables for Egyptian Arabic has many errors and I'd wish to fix it soon. But in the meantime, It is better to stick with the conjugation tables. That's why I undid your edit. Fenakhay ❯❯❯ Talk 09:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I've corrected the conjugation tables. I've noticed that some are missing like for final-weak verbs (مشى (maša)). Fenakhay ❯❯❯ Talk 11:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, I could also try to create some of these missing ones. Zhnka (talk) 14:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I'll try to add the inflection table of the Egyptian Arabic verbs like ترجم (targim) and خربش (ḵarbiš). Should I, after I have finished, name the page "Template:arz-conj/1q". I'm not sure if this is the accurate name. Zhnka (talk) 14:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Is the future tense really prefixed by "ح"? Because I think it should be "ه". Zhnka (talk) 14:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

quote at رائب

Hi. Could you date the quote at رائب? I don't have any knowledge of Arabic to be able to be sure of any results La más guay (talk) 15:44, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• And there's another one at رماية La más guay (talk) 15:45, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for contacting me. I'll do my best to find the origin of the quote on the page رَائِب (rāʔib). About the رِمَايَة (rimāya), I've already found something. I put the quote through Google and discoverd that the same quote is on the page اِشْتَدَّ (ištadda). So I've at least dated that one for now.Zhnka (talk) 16:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

hrnčíř

Hello,

Is the pronunciation of hrnčíř really [ˈɦrn̩t͡ʃiːr̝̊] with a syllabic /n/ rather than [ˈɦr̩nt͡ʃiːr̝̊] with a syllabic /r/ like hrnec ([ˈɦr̩nɛt͡s])? I do not want to meddle in the entries of a language I don't speak; I just wanted to point this out because in Macedonian, the cognate грнчар (grnčar) has a syllabic /r/, but until recently, the algorithm incorrectly made the /n/ syllabic, so I was thinking that perhaps the Czech IPA transcription module has the same problem. Best wishes Martin123xyz (talk) 09:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, you're right. It should be with a syllabic /r/. But I have never edited a module so I don't know if I'll be able to repair it. I will try to do something about it later. Thank You for mentioning that. Zhnka (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Benwing2 Perhaps Benwing could help since he fixed the same issue in the Macedonian module? Martin123xyz (talk) 05:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

vtieravý

Hi. Should this be Czech or Slovak? MooreDoor (talk) 15:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi. My fault, I'm sorry. It should've been Slovak. In Czech, we would say vtíravý. I've made the page correct now. Thank you. Zhnka (talk) 17:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

duuuupaaa

Hi, could you correct the declension? I was trying to use the automatic template but apparently it doesn't recognise this ending. I also looked for some other feminine nouns ending in -aď but couldn't find any. CLICK Shumkichi (talk) 13:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, no problem, thanks for asking. Zhnka (talk) 13:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Old Czech

Just so you know, I updated that Old Czech reference template to accept + if the pagename matches their entry. Should save some time. Vininn126 (talk) 19:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Zhnka (talk) 08:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Old Czech inheritence

When you update etymologies, could you also update Proto-Slavic descendants sections to include Old Czech? You can see this diff for an example. Vininn126 (talk) 10:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Old Czech Kto

Why did you remove the gender? Does the pronoun not require the masculine in things like adjectives and demonstratives and the past tense? Vininn126 (talk) 16:11, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

You're right, I didn't realise that. I just saw that the Czech term didn't have gender either. I'll put it back. Zhnka (talk) 16:20, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Would it make sense to mark the Czech pronoun also as masculine in that case? Vininn126 (talk) 16:21, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it would. Zhnka (talk) 16:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Old Czech pronunciation

Your module has lots of issues and is clearly not finished, but you put {{zlw-ocs-IPA}} all over the place. As a result we have 370 errors in CAT:E. You should definitely not do this; don't deploy a module until it's finished. Benwing2 (talk) 22:13, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Since your module needs lots of work I think we should remove all the {{zlw-ocs-IPA}} additions. Do you mind if I do that by bot? Benwing2 (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Benwing2 I just commented out the module invocation: empty Pronunciation headers are better than module errors. From the pattern of appearance in CAT:E, I suspect that only the latest edit was actually throwing errors, so the module may be salvageable. At any rate, when I last checked there were 327 transclusions and 369 pages in CAT:E, with about 40 entries in CAT:E this morning, so it looks like 100% errors. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz Thanks. I took a look at the module code and there's some reasonable stuff there but also a lot of duplicated and half-working code. The module needs significant work before it's ready. Benwing2 (talk) 23:32, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

It was the latest edit that ruined it. Thank you, I didn't notice it back then. Now it should work again. Zhnka (talk) 04:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

There is still a great deal of duplication in the code, e.g. lines 144-164 are duplicated in lines 199-219, and lines 223-271 are duplicated in lines 277-325. Please don't restore the use of the module until you have cleaned up all the duplication. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 05:46, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for forcing me to clean it up. It wasn't that hard. Now, it should be fine. Zhnka (talk) 06:58, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Speaking of, I was wondering what your source was on the transcriptions? Did it say anything about stress? Vininn126 (talk) 22:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

My primary source was „Historická mluvnice jazyka českého – hláskosloví“ by Jan Gebauer. He mentioned that the stress was probably the same as in modern Czech (on the first syllable). Other sources agreed that it must've been so since the 12th/13th century. The only difference between the sources were that some used /^i̯ɛ/ instead of /i̯ɛ/ to transcribe ě. One source used /t͡sʲ/ instead of /t͡s/ and /w/ for v, but all mentioned it was bilabial, so I decided for /β/. There are still many things to be done in Old Czech. I was thinking whether we should differentiate between masculine personal, animal and inanimate, because the declensions already varied (with animal nouns slowly turning to the personal forming animate nouns). Zhnka (talk) 04:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Zhnka I think we can safely have the module add stress to the beginning of the word then. Old Polish doesn't because it's usually uncertain where the stress is (but not always). As far so those O found /β/ the strangest, but if it says "BIlabial", then there might be some sense in it. As far as gender, it's probably likely we'd be able to add what type of masculine, one reason I wasn't was because I was unsure. Vininn126 (talk) 09:04, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I also tried using it on žitie but it spit a module error, invalid IPA character at me, ž seems not to be handled at the moment. Vininn126 (talk) 09:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand. I see it working /ʒici̯ɛː/, /ʒiciː/. Zhnka (talk) 09:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Very odd, it's working for me now. Alright. Also thanks for all the cooperation with Old Czech! It's nice having someone to confer with. Vininn126 (talk) 09:20, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Further Old Czech questions

1. We should make WT:About Old Czech.
2. @PUC and I were wondering on Discord (perhaps you should join?) If Slovak should be made a descendant of Old Czech. I recall reading that it had split somewhat earlier and that it should constitute its own branch, but perhaps I am mistaken.

I will add any other points to this thread to avoid thread spam. Vininn126 (talk) 09:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

nožíky

Always check CAT:E for a day or two after you edit a module. In this case, you were the last one to edit both the entry and the module, so you're doubly responsible. Please fix it. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:01, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

zle-ocs IPA

Hey. I recently discovered that zle-opl IPA module had error, and [cz], [sz], [ż] were soft in Old Polish. Vinnin fixed that already. Are you sure that the old Czech reflexes of the first palatalization were hard?

PS could you please improve the Proto-Slavic module to conjugate words ending in -ěninъ/-janinъ correctly? I'm unable to code. Sławobóg (talk) 15:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Upper Sorbian

Sorry to bother you, I wanted to ask for your help with a module, I noticed that you have created some really good modules, and I was wondering if you would like to help us :) Stríðsdrengur (talk) 20:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'm sorry for the late reply. Do you mean help with a module you're already working on or should I start it? Even though I don't speak this language, I have found a page with the declension rules. The eventual module hsb-noun would at least substitute for the existing templates and allow the palatalisation of the ending consonants. I would probably start by creating an adjective module first, but I don't know whether I'll have time for it. I will see. I don't promise anything. Zhnka (talk) 12:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, I understand you've been busy. I need a noun module, not adjective because one has already been created. A module derived from Polish has already been created by @Sławobóg, but there is still a lot to adapt.

Ł Stríðsdrengur (talk) 13:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, it's been a while, but I've almost finished the noun declension module. There may be smaller errors, but they should be easy to clear up during it's use. For example, I don't know the declension of masculine nouns ending in o- and a-, but if we come across them, I can add their declension as well.

You can check the declension on my test page. I will try to finish it soon (maybe today) and post it. I am sorry for being so late. I completely forgot about the module. Zhnka (talk) 17:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Zhnka! I did a quick review, don't worry about the delay, better late than never! And it looks perfect to me! I just noticed a small error in masculine nouns like hłód, štom, bratr and nan in which you put an extra ending in the vocative that is not necessary, otherwise, everything is perfect. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 18:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

The page that I used as a source mentioned "The -o ending is most often (but not exclusively) used with the soft-stem nouns and those that in the h, ch, k, c, s. z. There is no rule that would describe the usage of vocative endings with other nouns."

So I set a default ending for soft stems, velars and csz as "o" and for the hard stems "o" and "e". You can always change every form manually {hsb-ndecl|m.voco:e} / {hsb-ndecl|m.voco} / {hsb-ndecl|m.voce}. Is the e ending so rare (the Soblexx dictionary mentions bratr, vocative – bratře)? Should I set only "o" as a default vowel? Zhnka (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, in the Soblexx dictionary only there's only as bratře. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

And it seems that all other masculine nouns ending in -tr inflect the vocative in the same way Stríðsdrengur (talk) 19:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

@Zhnka Thank you very much for the incredible work you did :) Stríðsdrengur (talk) 20:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. Zhnka (talk) 20:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I have a question, how do I make the dual genitive of wucho have an ending in -i just like the plural? Stríðsdrengur (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

You can see it in the edit history now. It is always these shortcuts like gen, datdu, locpl,... + either suffixes (genduow:i) or whole words (gendu:wušow:wuši). Zhnka (talk) 21:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Very nice job, but you forgot v-stem support, like žerchej or cyrkej. Sławobóg (talk) 21:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Done. I didn't know Upper Sorbian had them. Zhnka (talk) 21:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Good job. 👍 Sławobóg (talk) 21:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh one more thing, žerchej does not have žercheji as a alt plural genitive Stríðsdrengur (talk) 21:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh it seems we forgot a type of inflexion, feminine nouns ending in -ska in which the k does not turn into c, Jendźelska, Awstralska, etc. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 13:42, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

It's declined like an adjective, so you could put ".adje" there. Zhnka (talk) 13:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks Stríðsdrengur (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Zhnka The module does not support reducible feminine nouns like this one Stríðsdrengur (talk) 00:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Zhnka one more (😭) Stríðsdrengur (talk) 21:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Ancient Greek pronunciation

Hi, when using {{grc-IPA}}, please remember to use |1= to mark α ι υ as long or short (outside diphthongs). Thanks! —Mahāgaja · talk 20:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Hunsrik

Hello again Zhnka, I would like to ask for your help with modules (😭), this time maybe it will be less complex or laborious. I would like to ask for your help with creating a pronunciation module in Hunsrik, in case you are not so busy with more important things, the phonology of the language is not as difficult as German and I already put together an appendix here a long time ago with all the necessary information, and in case you need it for more help, I have contact with a native Hunsrik linguist. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I could try to create it. But I am very worried about the stress rules. I could try to put in some obvious rules, which I can see the Old English pronunciation module does. I guess the stress is usually at the beginning of the stem (or the long vowel?). So I could summerise some usual prefixes which aren't stressed. For example the prefix be- isn't stressed as I can see on the page of benutze. It would make it [pəˈnut͡sə], but it would also make any other word starting be- this way (Berrich –> [pɛ'riç]). In these cases, you would have to type the stress into the code – {hrch-IPA|'Berrich} to get [ˈpɛriç]. I don't know whether thw rules can be formulated better. It could look into the Old English module.

I actually once wanted to create the pronunciation module for Middle High German, but for the reason of pronunciation stress which affects the vowel quality (mainly e) I gave it up then.

I will try to get to it soon. But I have other things to do now as well. Zhnka (talk) 20:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry and don't rush! When you feel comfortable with this we can start :) Stríðsdrengur (talk) 20:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)