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General relationship to Wikipedias, tagging for the renderer?

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During the discussion on Wikidata:Requests for comment/Constraints for Germanies, one side argued about the needs of "their" Wikipedia, while others claimed such measures to be tagging for the renderer, which then was declared "not a policy on Wikidata". Then there's things like string not for label in WikiProject (Q105690472), used to explicitly exclude statements for usage in a Wikipedia and string for label in WikiProject (Q105690470) for the opposite. Since I'm not that experienced in Wikidata, I would like to know more about the general mindset/attitude about this: Is Wikidata just a service for the Wikipedias or is this supposed to be an "independent" project of it's own? Is there any documentation about these kinds of things, maybe also about NPOV, conflict resolution etc.?

Please forgive me, if this is written tendentiously. I really was under the impression, that things like official names of countries or League of Nation memberships would be objective criteria, and therefore I am still a bit amazed, that this created such a conflict. --Flominator (talk) 19:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata was started with a key role as being a backend of facts for the infoboxes of Wikipedias, though in practice the editors of the latter are distrustful of outside projects, and takeup has been very slow. WD has grown to be a database of facts used much more widely than the Wikipedia ecosystem, though clearly its quality and comprehensiveness, while better than any rival, has big gaps. Those facts need to be globally accepted, but are still aimed at a early 21st century audience. There seems to be a lot fewer procedures (and less nitpicking) here, partly because facts are less contentious than descriptive text, and with fewer editors and a vast workspace, conflicts are rarer. But as we've seen for the Germanies, its not the facts that are a problem, as the wooly nature of labels like "country", where POV will be an issue. Vicarage (talk) 20:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"editors of the latter are distrustful of outside projects" This varies greatly between projects (and indeed, within them). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:19, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The answer is on WD:N, Wikidata is its own project, which means it can have objectives that goes beyond the sole objective of being a Wikipedia backend and has its own policies. But of course serving Wikipedias is one of its main reason for being and admissibility on Wikipedia is a sufficient reason for admissibility on WD of course.
Wikidata has ways to handle conflicting viewpoints by allowing to set different statements with their own sources and ways to describe the disputes, like statement disputed by (P1310) View with SQID or statement supported by (P3680) View with SQID, for example. author  TomT0m / talk page 10:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But how do you deal with when there's no agreement, on which item should be used? Would this maybe be an idea? --Flominator (talk) 19:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Several ways, on frwiki we align with the Wikidata model and, for example, we deal with the data wanted by the community on the infobox by agregating the different values into one to avoid duplication in case of a regime change, for example. See [this link https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Infobox/Fonctions/Personne#L-515] for the lua code that handles this for fr:Modèle:Infobox Biographie2 for example. We also get the demonym/adjective from a lua function. author  TomT0m / talk page 12:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Third-party opinion requested for Q64

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Many statements were recently removed from Berlin (Q64) with the reason of "without source or relevance", including the city's official social media accounts. This puts the city's page at odds with every other city I've seen globally, where official social media accounts are freely listed. Since I'm not German nor do I have any particular interest in Berlin (other than it being an item tracked by the Name Suggestion Index (Q62108705)), I'm requesting a third-party opinion on the matter. BrownCat1023 (talk) 00:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a mixed bag. Some of the deleted like the twinned administrative body (P190) statements are factually wrong, and it's good that they are deleted. Others like the social media accounts are official accounts by the official portal berlin.de, so no reason to delete them. NGOgo (--> join WikiProject Nonprofits!) 07:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Except for the twinned administrative body (P190) statements I don't see anything wrong in the removed statements and wonder what might be "incorrect" with them. --Dorades (talk) 07:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored all the removed statements (noting that I am not the first person to do so). Individual statements can be discussed on the item's talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have again restored the disputed, mass-removed statements. If they are again removed without consensus, then admin intervention is likely to be necessary. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

??? There was no mass removal. Neither was there a dispute. The removal of certain statements followed a proposal that was not answered or challenged by the parties/ users involved. Lear 21 (talk) 18:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested administrative intervention due to the prolonged edit war that has persisted in spite of the lengthy discussion on Talk:Q64. BrownCat1023 (talk) 02:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How to get the user name of the creator of an item?

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Is there a programmatic way to get the user name of an item's creator? Jneubert (talk) 09:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Via API, yes. For Q131417160 see https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=xml&prop=revisions&titles=Q131417160&rvprop=user&rvlimit=1&rvdir=newer MBH 12:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Artist signatures

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Hello,

Today, during an editathon, I discovered that some artists have two pictures set with signature (P109). One handwritten on a paper to sign a document, and one made on a work of art. They could be quite different. I think both are interesting information, but I don't know how to map those properly. Will it be two separated property or will it be two properties of P109 to describe the sub-type of signature?

Examples: Auguste Rodin (Q30755), Ossip Zadkine (Q160172), Pierre Puvis de Chavannes (Q216873).

Any idea welcome! Noé (talk) 22:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We have creator's signature (P7457), so two separated properties I guess. Sorry, that is for pages that are work of art, although it is used on people pages too. Difool (talk) 01:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Q316128 and Q15962374

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Would anyone familiar with German history be willing to look at Flag of the German Empire (Q316128) and flag of the German Empire (Q15962374)? Based on the German sitelinks on each item, I suspect there's some topic conflation in play with one item or the other. Thanks in advance. BrownCat1023 (talk) 07:55, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: Q29469557 and Q7483502

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Please, merge Category:Companies of the Soviet Union (Q29469557) and Category:Companies of the Soviet Union (Q7483502). They have conflicting pages in Russian and Arabic (to be precise only Russian Wiki makes a distinction, as the Arabic pages are actually duplicates). Est. 2021 (talk) 02:08, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They cannot be merged because of the conflicting pages. D3rT!m (talk) 10:59, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See "not to be confused" notice on en:Category:Manufacturing buildings and structures. You proposed to merge category for buildings with category for organisations. MBH 08:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How to add alt text to a photo?

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Hello. I read Wikidata:Tours/Images and Property talk:P11265 but I still don’t understand how I can find a photo in Wikidata (for example File:TR Yedigöller asv2021-10 img02.jpg) and add the alt text. Can anyone help please? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1: This property is for Structured Data on Commons. You need to go to the file page on Wikimedia Commons, click "Structured data" and add the alt text there. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Matěj Suchánek Thanks. I did that on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Greenhouse_gas_emission_and_absorption_by_Turkey.svg
but when I use
https://www.w3.org/WAI/test-evaluate/easy-checks/image-alt/
to check
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas_emissions_by_Turkey#Monitoring,_reporting_and_verification
I cannot see it. Have I done something wrong or do I have to wait for a bot run perhaps? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not aware if there is such a bot. Ideally, the alt text would be propagated right away by the system, but unfortunately this is not available. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 14:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there way to remove one qualifier by QuickStatements?

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Special:Diff/2289095175/2299676560

I want to change criterion used (P1013)|gender (Q48277) qualifier to criterion used (P1013)|sex or gender (Q18382802) in competition class (P2094) property. I tried it by quickstatements, but I can't remove one qualifier without removing statement. If you have a bot, please change criterion used (P1013)|gender (Q48277) qualifier to criterion used (P1013)|sex or gender (Q18382802) in competition class (P2094) property to follow various sex or gender policy in sports. Sharouser (talk) 02:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

QuickStatements cannot do this indeed.
Do we talk about all of these results [1]? I do have a bot which can do such a migration. —MisterSynergy (talk) 08:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@MisterSynergy: Yes. Sharouser (talk) 11:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
all done —MisterSynergy (talk) 13:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you do one for me too? Trade (talk) 19:33, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Explain your case. I'll have a look at it tomorrow. —MisterSynergy (talk) 00:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are several items where an instance of (P31) musical work/composition (Q105543609) uses performer (P175) with the qualifier statement is subject of (P805). In those cases the value of statement is subject of (P805) should be moved to applies to work (P10663) instead Trade (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ideally the same should be done to any cases where statement is subject of (P805) is used to link to an audio track/vocal track/instrumental track--Trade (talk) 16:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please link to an example? —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Q105958641 Trade (talk) 05:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In order to avoid misunderstandings here, I assume the target state would look like this:
In other words, the statement is subject of (P805) qualifier would become a applies to work (P10663) qualifier, on the same statement and with the same value as before. Correct? —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Trade (talk) 22:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seems there are ~11.200 items to be modified. I will try to have a look at it tomorrow. —MisterSynergy (talk) 23:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Moebeus, would this be okay with you? Most of these qualifiers seems to be added by you @Moebeus:--Trade (talk) 16:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, fine by me. Ideally there shouldn't be a performer statement on works/compositions at all, it's really just the result of attempting a pragmatic compromise (people insisted on adding/re-adding them anyway). Moebeus (talk) 19:05, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Resolution of swapped items in multilingual sites field

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The existing Wikidata pages for Q1544332 (Central Australia Railway) and Q124334026 (Adelaide-Darwin railway line) were initiated by editor(s) unfamiliar with the two railways and who have confused them. I have made some changes to correct various errors in the two Wikidata pages but I am having difficulty in entering the correct details in the multilingual sites field, which shows the message, "The link commonswiki:Category:Central Australia Railway is already used by Item Q124334026. You may remove it from Q124334026 if it does not belong there". I have not been able to remove the information from either page.

Specifically, the correct details are:

  • (commons) Category:Adelaide-Darwin railway line needs to be on the Q1544332 (Central Australia Railway) page
  • (commons) Category:Central Australia Railway needs to be on the Q124334026 (Adelaide-Darwin railway line) page.

I have expert knowledge of this subject and I'm absolutely certain of the correctness of the terminology I have outlined.

I would appreciate someone enabling the required change or describing how I can do it (in detail, please -- I'm a novice on Wikidata). SCHolar44 (talk) 07:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done. — Huntster (t @ c) 07:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Author/author name string

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I created "Gordon T. Richards (Q131823184)". This man wrote in numbers of articles. On these articles, I replaced author name string by author. I have done part of this work, it is tedious. This man wrote a lot. Can a boot do that job ? Io Herodotus (talk) 13:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to convert a bunch more by using Author Disambiguator (Q76693569). --Quesotiotyo (talk) 13:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The same person?

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Wang Qianyi (Q40375943) and Wang Liuyi (Q40375963) are not the SAME person? - Nicolae Coman (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to en.wikipedia, they are twins. --Dorades (talk) 16:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also known as

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Hi, I'm trying to add The Granary to Old Co-Operative Grain Store (Q17778445) as an AKA, do I continue the list with a comma? The list is already stretching out and my browser hides the rest of it with ... Myrealnamm (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is what you needed to do. When you insert multiple aliases while creating an item, you separate them with a pipe |, not a comma. It's easy to see how that would be confusing. I'll edit it now so that you can see how each alias will be on a different line and is therefore easier to read. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf Okay, when I go into that page hit the edit button, there's an "enter an alias" field. If I click on that and start typing, another one appears under it. I think that's how I do it.
I see what you mean by pipe, because that's what you do at Special:NewItem. Just curious, is there a way to edit items in the source editor, if that's a thing on Wikidata? Myrealnamm (talk) 20:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As you've likely noticed, Wikidata (and f:) have very different interfaces than other WMF wikis. So you can go to any normal item and press Alt+Shift+E to bring up a menu that allows you to edit which is different than if you click on the various Edit links on the page. Neither gives you access to a raw MediaWiki page, so neither is source editing, but they are alternatives that may be more or less easy for you to use. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The commas were not to separate names; "Portsoy, Shorehead, Old Co-operative Grain Store" is the name in one of the references, where Shorehead is the street and Portsoy is the village. Peter James (talk) 20:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf Thank you for the helpful tips. I tried that shortcut (I have a mac, so I used Option+Shift+E instead based on w:Help:Keyboard shortcuts) and nothing is happening. On Wikipedia, when I press the shortcut it opens the source editor, but I tried on several random Wikidata items and it doesn't work. Are there any user scrips I need to install to use that shortcut? Myrealnamm (talk) 22:19, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Odd. It works for me. Maybe KeyShortcuts could help expedite editing? There are also many tools that allow you to quickly edit items, but I don't use them. If there's more I can do for you, let me know. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BirdLife Hungary

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When I try to do these things myself, I usually seem to get things messed up, so I'm making an appeal for someone to straighten things out as necessary for this organization.

The organization has been undergoing some name changes. There appear to be a couple of extra Wikidata items.

As background information, en:BirdLife International has become the umbrella organization for bird conservation societies around the world. For a third-party perspective on "BirdLife Hungary", see Intellaccount:Hungarian Ornithology and Nature Conservation Association Fabrickator (talk) 00:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fabrickator: Done. Merged them into Hungarian Ornithological and Nature Conservation Society (Q1162093). — Huntster (t @ c) 02:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

P12388

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Hello. I've recently added some official list URL (P12388) statements to several Wikidata items. But I'm not sure I've correctly understood the purpose of P12388. Here are some examples:

Is the P12388 statement applied correctly? Would appreciate feedback. Thank you. -- 06:52, 20 January 2025 (UTC) M2545 (talk) 06:52, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is. Well very well (talk) 08:35, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Property:P2139 has restriction Q19474404

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I see warning about breaking this restriction on Q4386625, where P2139 stated in dollars and roubles in one year. So I think restriction logic should be changed to "only one value for pair year-currency" instead of current "only one value for year". Is it possible to set this logic now? MBH 08:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@MBH: Hmm separator (P4155) works for qualifiers on a property, but in this case the separator you want is units. I don't think we have a way to do that right now. There might be a workaround to use some sort of separator here too, but maybe this should be something for the developers to consider? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it may be not implemented now on engine side. MBH 15:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Celery

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I have just moved a number of interwiki links and statements from:

Apium graveolens (Q28298): species of edible plant, wild ancestor of the vegetable celery

to:

celery (Q23012379): common edible part of the celery plant.

However, I am not able to verify which of the articles whose name is not a homonym for "celery", or whose label is not in the western alphabet, should be moved; could people who speak those languages please check; and in all cases check that the content matches the apparent label?

For full resolution, what is need is for each Wikipedia with one article to create a redirect to it from their term for the other topic; and to add those redirects to the relevant Wikidata item. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Qualifier constraints

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How do you make conflicts-with constraint (Q21502838) constraints for qualifier-only properties? Trade (talk) 12:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

please delete Q32883196

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Please someone delete Q32883196. I moved "Κατηγορία:Ιρανοί τραγουδιστές" to the right item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8553151.

Thank you. Dionysus (talk) 13:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See WD:Merge on how to handle this next time yourself. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 14:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Sjoerddebruin, I tried to merge the two items, but i couldn't do it. I am sorry. Dionysus (talk) 14:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #663

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata in the
week leading up to 2025-01-20. Missed the previous one? See issue #662

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how to post EndNote files on wikidata

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I am completely new to WikiData, but I am an old user of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndNote . I have several EndNote libraries (.enl files), which comprise full texts of Open Access articles on various topics (e.g. Chronic kidney disease). I've been trying to figure out how to share these libraries on wikidata, but I was unable to. I want to emphasize, that I have background in the US IP Law, and I made sure, that my data do not violate it. Smilin8Budda (talk) 03:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata isn't a file hosting service, what are you trying to achieve by sharing these? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 09:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply. I am trying to provide comprehensive searchable databases, with Open Access text and figures, for people, who write wiki-articles. Essentially, it is a free alternative to Scopus (albeit each database is limited to a specific wiki article topic) with SEARCHEABLE FULL TEXTS. There is no free or commercial database today, that provides such capabilities. I usually collect raw bibliographic data from commercial databases, that have no restrictions on derivative works (such as Scopus, Web of Science, PUBMED) and add full text of Open Access articles. The SQLite in EndNote allows to search bibliographic infor and full text. Smilin8Budda (talk) 14:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Smilin8Budda: "full text of Open Access article" is not something that could be added to Wikidata. If you have metadata for publications - such as titles, authors, affiliations, topics, etc. then that might be something that could be added or updated here. Please look into the Wikidata:OpenRefine tool for this. A large fraction of scientific articles and authors are already Wikidata items, so you must try to match to existing items before adding anything new. ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

spam filter and official website

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Apparently the official website url for the former About.com (Q1640002) (I think you can guess what it is) is blocked by a spam filter. The url currently redirects to that of its successor organization, Dotdash Meredith (Q124250582), following several rebrands and mergers. In the interest of accurately recording an important piece of internet history, can the spam filter be relaxed on the focal item? or is there some other way to indicate the url without angering the gods? -Animalparty (talk) 03:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Q210740 Wilkie Collins

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In his occupations, it says "poet lawyer". This should just say poet. It already says he was a barrister. Can someone fix this pls? Geoffroi (talk) 21:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, I don't think using poet lawyer (Q1209498) there is incorrect, as it is subclass of poet (Q49757) ·addshore· talk to me! 22:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

lost work (Q21752591)

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Do these statements (lost video game, lost film, etc) belong into instance of (P31) or has characteristic (P1552)? Trade (talk) 05:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Help me please

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Hi everybody. Can someone link This article (in english) with This article (in persian) in Wikidata ? I can't do that because i'm not Expert in wikidata. Thanks a lot. 2.176.24.64 23:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done : graffiti by foreign visitors at Persepolis (Q131857231). Could probably be improved. -- Jheald (talk) 00:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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