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Archive 24: November 2015

Allegra Versace

If you want to, you can take a look at the article about Allegra Versace. That article is this weeks TAFI.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi BabbaQ - Thanks for the heads up. And always feel free to make suggestions here. But please don't get annoyed if I don't work on one of your suggestions. In this case, this article has zero interest for me. But if it had been something I was interested in, I definitely would have made an attempt to contribute. Cheers! Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:16, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

22:44:34, 2 November 2015 review of submission by Leahnaz

Leahnaz (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Bmai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Onel5969,

Thank you for your feedback again. I've made significant edits to the draft article and removed a lot of sentences that might be seen as advertising language. I've deleted most of the reviews section, but can also remove it if you think it would be more appropriate. Can you take a look at it when you're free and let me know what you think? I would like to resubmit it for review soon and would like your opinion before I do. Thanks a lot for your help, I believe I'm getting a better sense of how to edit Wikipedia articles. Leahnaz (talk) 22:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Leahnaz - Better, but still promotional. Readers don't care that "products at extremely reasonable costs", buyers do. There are still numerous selling points like that throughout the article. I know it's hard, because you care about the subject, but it has to be neutral. The reviews section is okay now, but the products and services is still quite promotional. Rule of thumb is that if the product isn't notable on its own, it probably should only get a mention, with a brief description if warranted. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:08, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Maia_Chung

Hi!

Can you please help me with that article?

Actually I have really problems to finish it and we need at as not-for-profit organization.

I need some more assistance.

Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcadforg (talk • contribs) 04:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mcadforg - what type of help do you need. The article was declined because some of it was simply cut and paste from two other websites. You simply need to delete that stuff and write about the content in your own words. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

AfDs

Thank you for review

Hello Onel, thank you for reviewing the article of AUCA, and the link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:AUCA. Thanks for your comment and I will rewrite it about the promotional sentences. This website is established in this year by a small company, so maybe we didn't have so many reliable sources except blogs and references we have provided. Our team are trying our best but it do need time to achieve it. I didn't mean to offend you, and I read your comment carefully, so does it mean that small websites like us has the slightest possibilities to be shown on Wikipedia? Hope you are well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne Harper (talk • contribs) 08:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Anne Harper - no offense taken. Wikipedia has specific guidelines on what is, and is not, notable. The general guidelines may be found at WP:GNG, while more specific guidelines for companies and organizations may be found at WPNCORP. Blogs, in gerneral, are not valid references, since there is no editorial oversight. Likewise sites like Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc. To show notability, you'll need to have about 3 articles which go in-depth about the company, not mere mentions, listings, etc. Additionally, references have to be independedt of the subject, so you can't use the company's own website to show notability. Finally, articles need to be written in a neutral tone, without any advertising. Your article currently has a promotional tone, talking about customer needs, etc. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:10, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

from Svartalxeym

Hi. Thank you for the message. The previous user had told me that I need tu use more sources for submission of the article for the review. Now you are this is not notable. The guy has exposed high level corruption at the embassy and many media outlets have published it, including Radi Free Europe. What else is needed it to be notable? Is there anything clear way that the author should take??

Regards, Svartalxeym user

link of the article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anar_Hasanov — Preceding unsigned comment added by Svartalxeym (talk • contribs) 09:46, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Svartalxeym - SwisterTwister rightly asked you to provide more sources so we could evaluate the article better. However, now that the article is properly sourced, it seems pretty clear to me that this is a case of WP:BIO1E, since outside of that incident, he's led a pretty non-notable life. In addition, the article is very one-sided, giving the appearance that this guy is completely correct. Not saying he's not, but the charges don't appear to have been validated (and they may never be if there is that much corruption). Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:44, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for review

Respected Mr. Onel5969, Devsena Mishra is my first article, I'll try to further improve it. Best Regards, vishalgauravjh1Vishalgauravjh1 (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Excellent Vishalgauravjh1 - my suggestion is to go through the WP:Articles for creation process, where experienced editors can help you craft the article. It's a process, so be patient. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:45, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Respected Mr. Onel5969, Thank you so much for your response, in future I'll definitely follow the process suggested by you, I lost my article Devsena Mishra, I'll try to create that again using WP:Articles for creation process. Best Regards, vishalgauravjh1Vishalgauravjh1 (talk) 15:58, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

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Request on 13:40:57, 4 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by LW1588

LW1588 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Kirk Ke Wang (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

If I edit the article, simplify the citation, would you review and help me to publish it? TLW1588 (talk) 13:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)hank you. LW1588 (talk) 13:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Of course I'll help you with the article. Can't promise it will get published, haven't really evaluated it regarding notability yet (because of the Citekill issue). But once you work on the citations, I'll be more than happy to take another look. Regarding the citations, rarely are more than 2 ever needed, so where you have more than 2, pick the best 2 (from the most reputable source and the most in-depth), and also please take a look at WP:CIT on how to format citations. Here are some other helpful links you might want to look at:

Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:55, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Sofia

Hi, Onel5969!

I just followed your advices about the view of collage in Sofia and the opinions of other editors there and I uploaded a new mosaic in Common, which I present in the talk page of the article. Regards!--Stolichanin (talk) 18:22, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

deprod

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Cheerleader Diaries, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks!

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Steve Mendez, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks!

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Regarding the Superparabola Draft

Hello,

We believe we have solved all the issues regarding the references for the Superparabola draft page.

Take a look!

Thank you so much.

-Shirley Gray -Cye Waldman -Alexander Morales — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sibgray (talk • contribs) 22:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the Superparabola Page

Hello,

Its wonderful to see the article has been published.

We wonder if there was a way to control the width of the page such the content appears closer together. Currently the content looks terrible on a big screen, but looks much better on a smaller screen.

do you have suggestions regarding this?

Thank you!

Shirley Gray
Cye Waldman
Alexander Morales — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.182.29.8 (talk) 22:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I don't, but you can ask at the math project page (there should be a link on the article's talk page). Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

did you receive draft for Keith Schooley?

Hi - I sent it to you on October 24 for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Keith_A._Schooley but haven't heard anything back. It was the draft with what I hoped were the corrections you asked for. Did you receive? If not I can resend but please give me an exact location to copy and paste it. Sandbox does not necessarily appear for me. Thanks so much. Hillary Chase chasehillary@gmail.com Hillary Chase (talk) 23:33, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Hillary Chase - Yes I received it, and I responded shortly after. Please do not cut and past pages on someone else's talk page. It causes quite a bit of clutter. In addition, the changes you made were incorrect. Here is a link: User:Onel5969/sandboxNewbie. Click on that link, and do the editing there. Save as often as you like, and it will notify me that you've edited the article there. In that location we can both work on it. Then when it's ready, I'll move it to the draft space, and you can resubmit it. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

10:03:14, 5 November 2015 review of submission by HayC2

HayC2 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Richard Duncalf (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there, thank you for reviewing my draft. I had some trouble providing secondary sources. Could you give me guidance on which of my citations are not considered verifiable? Any help would be much appreciated. Many thanks. (HayC2 (talk) 10:03, 5 November 2015 (UTC)))

Hi HayC2 - First, links to advertising sites shouldn't be used. Second, the article is about the person, but most of the citations is about the company. There are a few which simply mention the subject. Interviews, by their very nature, are primary sources, and can't be used for notability purposes. In additon, the last citation, the interview, also appears to be a PR piece. Beware of sources which list websites and contact information for the company, those are usually PR's put out by the company and passing as news articles. Also, if you find citations for him, please see WP:CIT on how to properly format citatiosn. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:06, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks Vishalgauravjh1 (talk) 15:57, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Vishalgauravjh1 - good luck with the article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:06, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Not interested

Thank you for your message. I have ceased to edit Wikipedia (and in fact no longer refer to it, as I can find less biased sources) because of what I see as its deep-rooted anti-business and anti-"capitalist" attitudes. Those who are into this sort of thing can go and play with themselves to their hearts' content. But I don't care. Please do not communicate with me again 121.98.66.193 (talk) 20:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

What a maroon. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:42, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 22:23:41, 5 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by LW1588

LW1588 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Kirk Ke Wang (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for the reviewer. I will take your suggestions, edit the article, and resubmit it.LW1588 (talk) 22:23, 5 November 2015 (UTC) LW1588 (talk) 22:23, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

No problem, LW1588 Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:05, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

keith schooley draft

Hi, sorry for the confusion. I didn't receive your message so am not sure how I incorrectly made the changes you'd asked for. I went to sandbox and saw draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Keith_A._Schooley but not further instructions on how to correctly edit and resubmit the citations and references. If you could kindly reexplain and send to chasehillary@gmail.com I'd very much appreciate it. Thanks again. Hillary Chase Hillary Chase (talk) 02:44, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Hillary Chase - Don't go to Sandbox. Click on THIS LINK. It's a page I created specially to work on your article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:07, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your work in relisting AfD discussions, which helps to keep matters in order. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:13, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Northamerica1000 - Just doing what I can. I would close some obvious delete discussions, but I don't think I can, not being an admin. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:08, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

For info. about non-admin closures, some of which are allowed, check out WP:NACD. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for that Northamerica1000 - but part of the process when closing a discussion as delete is to delete the article. My understanding is that only admins can do that, so how could I close a discussion with a delete result? Am I missing something? Sorry to be so dense. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:24, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

See point #2 of WP:NACD. Also, non-admins can close AfD discussions for articles that were deleted in instances when the deleting admin did not close the discussion. This occurs sometimes when articles are speedy deleted. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:53, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

sysop or admin. or not

Friendly(talk page stalker)
Hi Bil! Have you considered applying to be one, I wonder(?) — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:01, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Gareth Griffith-Jones - I have considered it. I think I could be of a bit more assistance if I could do certain tasks, such as the deletion question above. If an existing admin were to nominate me, I would most likely accept and go through the RFA process (which I understand can be pretty unnerving). A year ago I don't think I would have been ready, and would probably have taken it personally. Btw...long time no speak, o original wiki-mentor of mine... how have you been? I've been trying to make you proud of your apprentice.

Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:24, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

You would make an admiral admin, in my opinion. Regularly I keep an eye on both of your pages (User & Talk) and on the STiki Leaderboard. Your workrate amazes me, together with your thoughtfulness and good common-sense at all times.
Yes, I am proud of you.
I do not have much available spare time to devote to WP because of real life demands. I may not have told you; my wife has Parkinson's and, a couple of years ago or more, it reached quite an advanced stage.
I am fine, thank you. No health problems, thank God.
Hope you have a lovely Sunday! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 08:21, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

So sorry to hear about your wife, that's a tough ticket. I will keep the both of you in my thoughts and prayers. There's a stiki leaderboard? Why? I think it's been a trip as I've gotten to understand more of the workings underlying the project, and how to not take things personally. Regardless, always wonderful to hear from you. Take care. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:46, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Much appreciated.
I was surprised, and a little concerned too, when I discovered it. It does bear the risk of misunderstanding amongst some of the younger users. If you click on the link I have just provided, you will see that you are 14^th—nudging me for my position. "Such fun!" — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:20, 9 November 2015 (UTC)‎

Wow. Look at that. Perhaps I spend too much time working on vandalism?

- Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:36, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Help with AfC Submission for Bullhorn, Inc.

Hi Onel5969 - I'm writing about an article for creation submission that you reviewed on 5 November for Bullhorn, Inc. Thanks for the review. I've made deliberate attempts to ensure that the content is purely factual and cited from independent sources, so I'm hoping you can help me understand where in the article you think that might not be the case. I've made some minor edits to try and address a couple places that you might have been concerned with, but thought it was worth checking with you directly before resubmitting the draft.

The article can be found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bullhorn,_Inc.

Thanks for any help you can provide. TigersTale00 (talk) 19:39, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi TigersTale00 - When you tell a reader why the product benefits its users, gives them insights, etc. That's selling the product. When you talk about how a company positioned itself, that's promotional. There's also an issue regarding notability. Take a look at WP:NCORP, and then at WP:ROUTINE. Most of your articles would fall into the latter category, being routine announcements and notices in trade magazines. The St. Louis article would be nice, if it were in-depth, but it's just another brief announcement. No one is saying that the article isn't factual. But an article can be factual, and still be promotional. It's short, to the point, and well structured, and I especially appreciate the way you've taken the time to properly format the citations (that's a pet bugaboo of mine). The company exists, the company is well run -- but is it notable? Can you find some non-Boston articles which talk about the company (not press releases)? That would help. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:18, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Amit Jain

Hi, I reverted vandalism to the lead paragraph of Amit Jain. I then trimmed your PROD nomination accordingly. However, perhaps you'd better take another look to see whether you still think it should be deleted. – Fayenatic London 22:14, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Fayenatic london - Thanks for the heads up, and yes, I'll let it stand. My point was that regardless of which person the article was speaking of, neither appeared to meet the notability standards. There is a person of this name who might pass notability standards, as they are the head of Uber India, but this actor passes neither WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. But again, I really appreciate the heads up. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:21, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

15:56:19, 8 November 2015 review of submission by Holanthony

Holanthony (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Celeste Star (actress) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi!

Why isn't the article on Celeste Star considered "notable"? I've added info about her appearances in mainstream media as well as all the nominations received. As I understand it, these are criteria for a person from the adult industry being considered "notable" enough for Wikipedia.

Holanthony (talk) 15:56, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Holanthony - As I said in my comments on the draft, she doesn't meet the notability standards for an adult film actress, and her mainstream film resume is too slim to meet WP:NACTOR, but it might be a case of WP:TOOSOON, and if her mainstream credits increase she might qualify. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:32, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Keith schooley draft

Hi... I went to the link as you suggested for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Onel5969/sandboxNewbie and I see my draft. But for starters, somehow it manages to contain two references for citation 3 which I don't remember making (end of first paragraph and beginning of second) and I don't find any suggestions on how to fix what you had said was wrong. I must be missing something on my end or just don't know how to find your information. I'm sorry to keep asking but not being experienced on Wiki I'm not sure what I did wrong or how to fix it. My article is finished but the citations/references appear to be incorrectly done. May I ask you to pretty please fix these for me-- otherwise I am at a standstill, not understanding how to get these reference marks inserted properly. As always thanks for your help. Hillary Chase chasehillary@gmail.com Hillary Chase (talk) 21:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Hillary Chase - I'll work on it this week, as time allows. I'll let you know when it's finished. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:34, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Request help on improving rejected submission on Wikipedia page

Dear Onel5969, Thank you for your feedback. I have submitted a Wikipedia page draft for my company INKONIQ, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:INKONIQ and you have rejected citing it as highly promotional. I have done extra research on all Wikipedia guidelines and then submitted it after getting it reviewed on the Wikipedia Live chat. I have checked Wikipedia pages of other companies working in the similar domain and found their pages more promotional. Kony Inc has mentioned their services and technologies, while Fueled has got references like Alexa ranking and company website. please find their links below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kony,_Inc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fueled

I have refrained from posting anything about services and technologies and company offerings. I have put a lot of effort on this, could you please guide me where you find my page promotional. With your help, I would like to improve it and make it live. Roshivijay (talk) 05:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Roshivijay - phrases like "with a team of talented co-founders", "a posh neighborhood", "been associated with top companies", and "have been showcased" are phrased in promotional language. Comparing it to other companies is irrelevant (see WP:OSE. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Mayabazar

I've nominated this article for FAC which also happens to be my first attempt. It is also the first Indian Telugu film article to be nominated for such status. If interested, please leave your comments here. All constructive comments are welcomed. Yours sincerely, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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AfD discussion

Sorry, but I had to revert your keep close at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Identifying and Managing Project Risk. The discussion does not qualify for a keep close per your withdrawal of the nomination, because outstanding delete !votes from other users are present in the AfD discussion. See WP:SKCRIT criteria #1 for more information. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

No worries, Northamerica1000 - I thought I might have screwed the pooch when I did it. Thanks for fixing it.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Keith Schooley draft

Thank you!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Onel5969/sandboxNewbie ; chasehillary@gmail.com; Hillary Hillary Chase (talk) 16:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

TAFI

If you want to, take a look at the article about Marie Serneholt which is this weeks TAFI article. Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Eric Wong draft

Hi there!

My username is hillcoulson and I am trying to get up a Wiki page on my boss Eric Wong, the Executive VP / General Manager of Island Records. Here is a draft of the article in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Eric_Wong

My draft keeps getting rejected on the basis of my sources & references' reliability. It's a bit frustrating because my sources are as reputable as they get within the music industry (Billboard, Hollywood Reporter, Artist Direct, Allmusic) and I have added all of the possible sources that feature Mr. Wong and his work. What can I do to improve the reliability of my sources and get this article published? Thanks in advance for your help.

Update 11/10: Don't mean to come across as rude but don't multiple features in Billboard's 40 Under 40 count as notable coverage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hillcoulson (talk • contribs) 20:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Best, Hill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hillcoulson (talk • contribs) 22:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Hillcoulson - Hi, I see you've resubmitted it, so let's see what another editor has to say. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:06, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Diwali

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Mouth full of sweets,
Home full of lamps,
And festival full of sweet memories...

Diwali

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Talkback

Hello, Onel5969. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brad Richter.
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Request to revisit the discussion, per sources presented therein. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 03:56:28, 11 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by LW1588

LW1588 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Kirk Ke Wang (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I took your advice and edited the citations, and resubmitted. However another reviewer replied that the person in my article is not notable, need more citations. I am confused with the amount of citations needed to be notable. I check "notability" guidance and believe that the person has the substantial coverage, and won the national art competition, and is a creative professional, meet the notability criteria. Please help me to resolve the matter. Thank you.!LW1588 (talk) 03:56, 11 November 2015 (UTC)LW1588 (talk) 03:56, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi LW1588 - I know (believe me, I know) that it can be confusing when you first start editing. It does get easier. The biggest issue is the formatting of the citations. I've formatted the first one, to give you an example of how to properly format them. The link SwisterTwister and I both gave you, WP:CIT, gives examples of other types of citations (e.g. books, newspapers, etc). If there is an author, you should definitely include them, same with a page number, and a date of publication. If you found it on the web, you should definitely include the web link, for ease of verification.

There are two basic types of citations, those that verify a fact in the article (the first citation which I formatted is an example of that), and those that go to determine notability. The first citation is from an affiliated organization, his employer, so it' invalid for notability purposes, but can definitely be used for verification purposes. Galleries where their work is shown, the artists' own website, commercial sites where they might have their stuff for sale, all are invalid for notability. What is good for notability is in-depth articles from reliable, independent sources about the subject. I hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Clevedon Hall article

Hi there,

I've made some changes but please can you advise what style changes need to be made? Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Clevedon_Hall

Thank you!

Jojourneypr (talk) 09:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jojourneypr - Nice job. I see that Timtrent has already moved it to the mainspace. Congrats! Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Phillip Bonosky

Hi Onel5969. You may recall assessing this draft some time ago. I have cleaned the copy vio and ask if you have time to check it and see if the draft is ready for main space. Thanks, -- Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 16:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Diannaa - I've been going through the G13 eligible articles looking for stuff like this the last week, and haven't found any, and then you find one I worked on. Go figure. Yup, I feel it's good to go now. Copyvio check didn't reveal any issues, and that was my only problem with moving it to mainspace back in April. Had a slight formatting issue with section headers (fixed now), but other than that, well-sourced, well-structured, meets notability requirements. Do you want to resubmit and ping me and I'll move it? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:31, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, ready to rock n roll. Thanks a lot, you are awesome. -- Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 16:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

UrbanToronto.ca Draft

Hello Onel5969!

I've updated the Draft:UrbanToronto.ca again and removed a lot of components that could be construed as promotional. Would you mind taking another look at it? Would love your feedback!

Thanks Be McD87 (talk) 17:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Be McD87 - The promotional tone is now gone. Nice job. The issue is the notability. Reddit is not a reliable source, and the other 5 are mere mentions, so notability hasn't been established. #2 is a good cite for that fact. And get rid of 3 of the other sources - personally I'd keep the Globe and Mail and the Metro News. But you need at least 3 good in-depth articles about the site from independent sources. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, great! I'll see what I can dig up. Thanks for your feedback, Onel5969. Be McD87 (talk) 18:37, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Onel5969, would this work as one of the three in-depth articles? Be McD87 (talk) 19:23, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Marie Serneholt

If you want to, please take a look at this weeks TAFI selected article, Marie Serneholt. Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Recent move requests

As part of the cleanup, you added: {{db-move|1=Basque American|2=To make room for page move per Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 123#Titles of articles about ethnic groups of the United States}}

~~to Basque American~~

so the source and target are the same. While I think I could figure out what you meant, I'm working on handling the other requests, and I will come back to this if you don't reintroduce the corrected template.--S Philbrick (Talk) 22:57, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

~~===Malaysian Americans=== The template on Malaysian Americans appears to be malformed.~~--S Philbrick (Talk) 23:02, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

~~===Malian American===~~

~~Malian American, same problem as Basque American--S Philbrick (Talk) 23:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)~~

~~===Thai Americans=== The template on Thai Americans appears to be malformed.~~--S Philbrick (Talk) 23:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC) --S Philbrick (Talk) 01:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)S Philbrick (Talk) 23:12, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Egyptian Americans

The template on Egyptian Americans appears to be malformed.--S Philbrick (Talk) 23:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sphilbrick - Thanks for your patience. Shocked you just didn't hit me with 5 trout. I was doing so many to get them out of the way, I think I've fixed the issues. Sorry to dump all those on you guys. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

No fish today :) Almost there, can you check Egyptian Americans and Estonian Americans?--S Philbrick (Talk) 01:05, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

In Estonian, I think "|1=Estonian Americans" should be "|1=Estonian American"?--S Philbrick (Talk) 01:07, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

In Egyptian Americans, you are missing a parameter.--S Philbrick (Talk) 01:08, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, fixed those two as well. Again, thanks for your patience. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:33, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

regarding a prod deprod

Re: [1]. Removed prods should not be restored BUT "This excludes removals that are clearly not an objection to deletion, such as page blanking, mass removals or obvious vandalism; additionally, tags removed by banned users may also be restored." In this case, there's a consensus on anon's talk page that his was WP:POINT anti-prod vandalism; he has used more than one IP address for that - it's clear this is not AGF deprodding, but someone disrupting the project. Through in this case I agree AfD should be a way to go, but not because of the prod issue, but because of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. PS. I did restore it at [2] per the rationale cited; I'll be reviewing other related cases and seeing where the prod should be restored. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:06, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Piotrus - Thanks for the information. I had simply been under the assumption that you could never re-attach a prod tag, even if its removal in bad faith. But the bad faith exception makes perfect sense. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:06, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Maralou Gray

Hello!

I received feedback for my article on Maralou Gray (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Maralou_Gray) from SwisterTwister, who had pinged you on my draft as an interested colleague. I was hoping to get some more clarification in order for the article to be accepted, and hoping you can help me!

A lot of the references we have for Maralou's information are in articles published back in the 1940s-1960s, which of course aren't readily available online but we do have the hard copy clippings. Is that not adequate enough for Wikipedia? If these articles were scanned and uploaded, would that work?

If this isn't an option, would it help if I edited and shortened the article down so that just the information that can be referenced is written? There are several online articles from the Los Angeles Times dating back to the 1980s where she is mentioned and quoted, and that is a verifiable source.

Thank you in advance! BioWriter818 (talk) 06:17, 12 November 2015 (UTC)BioWriter818

Hi BioWriter818 - There is no requirement that sources be available online. If you do use hard copies, please make sure you include all information: publisher, publication, name of author (if applicable), date of article, page article appeared on, title of article. If it's from a book, include the isbn #. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:06, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969 Great, thank you for the feedback! So just to clarify, do I just reference the hard copies with all that information you specified or do you require that we scan and upload the articles as files? BioWriter818 (talk) 22:23, 12 November 2015 (UTC)BioWriter818

Hi again BioWriter818 - Yup, use all that information in the cites. Wouldn't know about uploading the files. I'm pinging three helpful admins to see if they know anything about that: Hey there NeilN, Northamerica1000 and MelanieN - any light to shed on the uploading of source material? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, do not upload copyrighted source material, please. Just a reference is fine. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 03:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969 and NeilN - Thank you both very much, appreciate your quick responses! BioWriter818 (talk) 04:25, 13 November 2015 (UTC)BioWriter818

Roger Williams

Glad you approve - it seemed the best way to help anyone getting confused in the future! I got here today via the Roger Williams (disambiguation) page on my watchlist, where someone made a strange edit trying to disentangle two versions of RW. I've known that imdb doesn't count as a WP:RS, but this is the first time I've seen such, apparent, confusion there. Happy Editing! PamD 12:22, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

No worries PamD - I do a little bit of work on old actor articles, and when I read the bio on imdb I was intrigued, so I started to dig into his history a bit. This is only the second or third case where I remember imdb getting the birth date incorrect. Anyway, thanks for adding the link (and the note!). Take it easy. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Your review for Credible website

Hello Onl5969,

Thank you for your review. I have re-submitted the script such that it lists facts and information about Credible. I am within the Marketing department, and have suggested we create a Wikipedia website because it allows readers to get to know more about out business. As I am in Marketing, using words to illustrate 'success of an organization' is a natural habit. I hope the revisions satisfy your tastes.

Please let me know how to move forward.

My Best, ~Ej Cruz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejcruz (talk • contribs) 16:17, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ejcruz - It appears you've resubmitted it already. In my opinion it is still highly promotional, but I won't review it, and give another editor a chance to look it over. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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Request on 16:17:00, 14 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Pianogac

Pianogac (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Olga Jegunova (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I emailed and asked the previous reviewer if I was on the right track in that I have added citations 1 - 4. Can you help by answering that question?

Geoff

Pianogac (talk) 16:17, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Pianogac - The WOW review definitely goes to notability. The Steinway citation goes to verifying that she received the award, but doesn't go to notability - there are very few piano competitions which winning is automatic qualification for notability. The Alina Garcia piece is a mere mention, so doesn't really help notability. And unfortunately, since anyone can upload to YouTube, it's not considered a reliable source. But here's the thing, the reference you have regarding Alina Garcia? If that had been centered on Jegunova, that would be a very good source. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Stop

Why did you delete my work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siclair (talk • contribs) 22:15, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I have no idea what you're talking about. But in general, probably because you did something incorrect. Either adding uncited stuff, or putting in pov material, or adding commentary, or you deleted cited material. In the future, when you put a question on an editor's talk page, it's considered polite to put a link to the item in question. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Folklore Museum of Velventos

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Folklore Museum of Velventos. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -PanchoS (talk) 02:36, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Mathers Museum of World Cultures page submission

I am a bit at a loss as to how I might improve my draft page for the Mathers Museum of World Cultures.

Add citations to […] secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject.

I will note that I have already included a citation to a piece published by the journal published by the Society for Applied Anthropology’s, and that the SfAA is entirely independent of the Mathers Museum of World Cultures.

The references to the MMWC pieces are, to be sure, citations to the institutions’ own bulletin. This is not to say that they are hastily dashed off copy with no regard for fact-checking. The Mathers is, after all, a component institution of one of the “top 100 national universities in the United States and the top 50 public universities in the country.”

Please [provide] clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.

The Mathers is already included in this very encyclopedia, albeit only as a dead link on your own List of museums with major collections in ethnography and anthropology. The institution is also accredited by the American Alliance of Museums. I shall edit the draft to make note of this fact.

MateoTimateo (talk) 15:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi MateoTimateo - for notability purposes, you'll need another couple like the SFAA one (from other sources). The fact that it is on a list doesn't mean it's notable, simply that it exists. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

thanks for your reply re Olga Jegunova draft article

You refer to the Alina article and say it would have been good if it had centred on Olga Jegunova.

I quote from the article: "Enter Nadine, once again full of inspiration and contacts. In a whirlwind of activity she recruited concert pianist Olga Jegunova who in turn found soprano Kirstin Sharpin. A crew was already recording Olga for a concert courtesy of the BBC and could also record our piece. The owners of the lovely home and hosts for the charitable concert graciously allowed it to serve as our backdrop, and a wonderful editor was found – recommended by the BBC gang. All was in place and the result was magical!"

NB The "result was magical!" This result only happened because Olga played the piano (and found the singer) - how much more central does a person have to be?!

Can you please explain your thoughts on this?

Cheers

Geoff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pianogac (talk • contribs) 19:20, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Sure. I already have. Olga is mentioned, not the focus of the article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:22, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Vanessa Hudson for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Vanessa Hudson is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vanessa Hudson until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Bondegezou (talk) 10:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

16:34:17, 16 November 2015 review of submission by Nerminsaleemi

Nerminsaleemi (talk · contribs)
- Draft:DBMaestro (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for your feedback! I have made edits to make the language neutral, fixed the citations, and hopefully the notability is more clear. Thanks again for your help. Nerminsaleemi (talk) 16:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Nerminsaleemi - I see you've already resubmitted it. Let's see what another editor has to say about it. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

21:31:52, 16 November 2015 review of submission by VMetalMedia

VMetalMedia (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Melissa VanFleet (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Prior to revising and resubmitting my article on Melissa VanFleet, can you please specify an example (other than the citation formatting and footnotes) what needs to be fixed in the article? I saw where it said peacock terms were used in the review but everything is factual and has a citation to go along with it. Thank you! VMetalMedia (talk) 21:31, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi VMetalMedia - that's a canned response when an editor chooses the NPOV selection. Your article doesn't have many Peacock terms, although there are few: "prowess", "accomplished", and "major" are a few examples. With your article, it's more a tone, with phrases like "She says she was always a perfectionist and, hardly old enough to write", "she decided to include"; while phrases such as "She sold her debut LP Metal Lullabies exclusively on tour in April 2015 and the album was officially released in her online store" are camoflouge to say that she was self-published. Also, I'm not sure that playing at 4 Hard Rock Cafes in Europe qualifies as her "headlining European tour". Hope this helps. Good luck with the article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks so much for the reply. I have resubmitted and a reviewer said the neutral tone was better; however, it has been denied again because my sources are not considered independent of the subject to show notability. I am confused because all of my sources are newspapers, magazines, web-based periodicals and websites about the topic. The previous three times it was not accepted were things that I was able to fix - statements were unsourced, citations weren't written correctly - but this is the first time I am hearing anything about notability. I guess I am just confused because I see many Wikipedia pages on a daily basis that do not have half of the sources that my draft has and I am wondering why this would be the case. Thanks again for your time and all of your help through this tiring, frustrating process. I really appreciate it!VMetalMedia (talk) 07:08, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 23:57:44, 16 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by AlBarts

AlBarts (talk · contribs)
- Draft:John Donald Barton (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I'd like to know what is required to get my page approved? I know that the photos were removed. Any other advice would be appreciated. Thanks AlBarts (talk) 23:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)AB

AlBarts (talk) 23:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi AlBarts - I responded to your comment back on 10/8. You can find my response HERE, and those comments still hold. Take it easy. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:37, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

19:35:37, 17 November 2015 review of submission by Ktan57

Ktan57 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Leadership in aviation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hey, I submitted this article and it has been taken down for the reason that it didn't sound like a encyclopedia article, and that I've primary sources. I can change the tone and the wording of the article, however, after looking at my bibliography again, I've noticed that all of sources are fairly credible. I've posted this article because I am in a part of a university class that requires me to post an article, and the project requires me to use sources that are peer-reviewed journal articles. All of my sources are peer-reviewed journal articles, therefore I cannot really remove and replace these sources as I will fail this project if I choose to use secondary sources. I don't understand why my article was removed. I'd like to know why, and how we can compromise to work this out.

Hi Ktan57 - It wasn't the sources, but the tone. This is an essay, written in an informal tone. Use of phrases such as "as with", "therefore", etc. are essay-like, like comments on talk pages. Articles state facts, don't draw conclusions, and offer no commentary. Take the following sentence: "While it is important to have good support from a positive role model, it is also important for a pilot to be a positive figure while flying." - highly subjective. An objective sentence (if there was a citation provided) would read something like "Studies show that pilots who have a positive attitude while flying have higher performance ratings and better safety records." See the difference? I'm not commenting, I'm stating a fact (if there were a citation, which for the purposes of this example I'm pretending is available). And you're article wasn't "taken down", it was simply declined as not being ready to be moved to the mainspace. Right now it needs a complete overhaul, since the entire thing reads as an opinion essay. I hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:49, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

19:58:34, 17 November 2015 review of submission by Ktan57

Ktan57 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Leadership in aviation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for the feedback, I understand what I've done wrong and will fix it.

Ping me when you are ready to resubmit, and I'll take another look. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:03, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Review of submission of Gill Fielding article

Thank you for your comments regarding neutrality and promotional tone of the article. I have made some amendments to remove material that comes across as promotional or irrelevant to the referenced facts. I hope you are happy with the amendments but please let me know if there's anything else you pick up on. Kind Regards Neilho (talk) 03:34, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Neilho - LaMona's latest comment on the draft are spot on. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:Giancarlo Corsetti

Just wanted to point out that declining Draft:Giancarlo Corsetti per notability was notoriously mistaken. His work has got almost 13000 citations, which more than fulfills just one of WP:PROF's criteria. Primary sources are in these cases usually the only sources available, and it is our job at AfC to gauge notability, not referencing (unless other policies come into play, such as BLP). That's what mainspace does a good job at resolving. In any case, academics don't have the coverage most other people would expect per general notability, but it takes quite some training to assess academic notability, so I just wanted to highlight this case for you. Have a nice rest of the week, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 23:56, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi FoCuSandLeArN - I'll respectfully disagree with you on this one. Although I should have used the "v" rather than the bio decline. I do that on bios, because the canned response for the bio is better for guiding a new editor than the canned response for the v. When I reviewed it the references consisted of 14 of Giancarlo's own writings plus a single blog, albeit a rather reputable one. Per the flow chart on the AfC project page, that's a clear decline. However, I definitely could have used the more specific "prof" decline, which could have pointed the editor to WP:PROF. Regardless, take it easy. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:29, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

09:53:09, 19 November 2015 review of submission by HastingsBella

HastingsBella (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Mads Munk (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear Editor,

Thank you for your comments on Mads Munk and M2. I will submit a page for M2 in the future. I would to like to ask a question: Mads Munk has now been interviewed in British magazine and website Square Mile - a 4 pp interview on him alone (in addition to a stand alone interview in Wallpaper online and a long interview section with him in a Scandinavian Traveller feature on his hometown in Denmark, and quotes in the Financial Times). Will this be enough to demonstrate Mads notability? I am posting below a snapshot of the first half page google results for Mads. In your opinion, does this qualify as notability? I would appreciate very much your advice in this matter. Best Wishes, Hastingsbella.

Mental playground: Mads Munk and the singular spirit of ... www.wallpaper.com/.../mental-playground-mads-munk-and-the-singular... 11 Aug 2015 - Wallpaper* Design: Mental playground: Mads Munk and the singular ... M2 now the largest production company in Denmark, but Mads has also ... You've visited this page 4 times. Last visit: 07/10/15

Is Aarhus the happiest city in the world? https://scandinaviantraveler.com/.../is-aarhus-the-happiest-city-in-the-wor... 20 Aug 2015 - For detailed local insight into happiness, I met with Aarhus native Mads Munk, founder and owner of Aarhus M2 Film with offices in Aarhus, ... You've visited this page 3 times. Last visit: 07/10/15

M2Film - Danish Production Agency of the Year | LBBOnline lbbonline.com/news/m2film-danish-production-agency-of-the-year/ M2 founder Mads Munk was delighted at the ceremony in Copenhagen, Denmark: “I'm proud. I'm very proud. But the true honour goes out to our 146 people in ... The Interview: Mads Munk | Square Mile www.squaremile.com/the-interview-mads-munk/ 19 Oct 2015 - Mads Munk, the founder of Denmark's biggest production company and leading ad agency M2 Group tells us about recruiting a board – and ... You visited this page on 17/11/15.

Hi HastingsBella - I'm not sure what all that above is. But the bottom line is that you'll need about 3 in-depth articles about the subject from independent reliable sources to show the subject's notable. Usually those sources are magazines, newspapers or books. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 04:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

15:51:06, 19 November 2015 review of submission by 89.197.51.78

89.197.51.78 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Carspring (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'm requesting a re-review because the post isn't intended to advertise the business, but simply to explain a bit about the organisation.

Would cutting the article down significantly so everything is referenced to reliable 3rd party sources help?

Articles tell us about the subject. Advertisements sell us the product. Don't tell us about the advantages of the product, or the company's business model. Those are things customers care about. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 04:23, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

19:29:09, 19 November 2015 review of submission by 198.0.114.226

198.0.114.226 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Spud Software (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Could you please point out specifically what within the content is making this draft look as if it's an advertisement? Any help would be nice. Thank you.

198.0.114.226 (talk) 19:29, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Don't talk about goals, don't talk about benefits or abilities. Don't sell us the product. Tell us about the company and don't use peacock terms or embellishments. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 04:38, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

easy to prove WP:NACTOR

Check out another star role at the new article Come Away Home. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 03:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi MichaelQSchmidt - nice job on the article! Was going to create it at some point in the near future (after researching for the AfD discussion). I've been working on this one article about Samuel J. Briskin for about 2 weeks now. And probably another week to go. Take it easy. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 04:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Others are always welcome to work on and expand articles I create, but I really dislike it when a nominator does not do proper WP:BEFORE and essentially gives a WP:JNN nomination statement. Oh well. Even though poor AFDs often results in improvements, it is usually not the nom's wish to be shown as making an incorrect assessment. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 06:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I think you have to WP:AGF on AfD noms. I know that every single nom I've made as been in good faith. When I was newer to the process I made some mistakes (like not knowing about WP:BEFORE - and simply going by what was currently in the article), but there have been times when I've simply blown it. In some instances, I'm not sure why. Perhaps I mistyped the subject name in the search engines? I don't know. But I know I've had at least two like that, where after I've nominated it another editor comes along and can quickly find dozens of cites. Other times, the normal searches turn up zero, but then another editor (TokyoGirl's done it for me two or three times), has access to more source databases (or foreign language sources). Other times I simply didn't understand a nuance of an underlying specific guideline (e.g. NFOOTY, PORNBIO), while other times, there is a supposed consensus, which is really based on an essay, not a guideline, which I disagree with, but a small percentage of other editors are passionate about (e.g. SCHOOLOUTCOMES), so I now simply refrain from participating in those discussions. Sometimes I simply disagree with another editor's interpretation of one of the guidelines. Most of the WP:BEFORE issues I come across are simply those which are unaware of the process (they don't participate much in AfD), although it is clear that some editors who do participate still simply go by the current citations. What really bugs me are editors who vote arbitrarily, e.g. in one instance they will say something along the lines, "well, I think that an X of a certain size or ranking is clearly notable", while in other discussions they use exactly the opposite rationale. Regardless, nice to *talk* with you. And again, nice work on the article. Take it easy. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Christopher Carter article

Hello, Onel5969, thank you for your very helpful comments and suggestions from March 2015 re: my Draft:Christopher Carter, which is still in draft form. A lengthy illness caused me to do very little with Wikipedia these past months, but all is better now and I expect to revamp the article per your sugegstions very soon. I very much appreciate that you took the time to make these suggestions. Carroll F. Gray (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Please Help If You Can

Hi Onel5969. I was wondering if you can check out this here Wikipedia:Help_desk#Alex_Gilbert_Article for Biographical Feedback. I have improved this article Draft:Alex Gilbert. When do you think I should resubmit to the Deletion Review? Thanks! I have added and detailed all the references on the Draft Article below! I just need your opinion and help as I want to get this to the mainspace without it being deleted. Before when YES it wasn't notable for Wikipedia it was deleted. Though the article now has gone through massive improvements! People are saying its not notable because of a one event issue. Please look at the sources! Thank You - Dmitry

Long list of references

References that cover his 'I'm Adopted' Organisation

[3] Анатомия дня TV Show NTV Russia Retrieved 29 October 2015. Source covers his Non-Profit Organisation 'I'm Adopted' and talks about him helping others.
[4] Retrieved 22 August 2015. Whangarei boy who traced Russian roots helps fellow Kiwi adoptees find bloodlines (TVNZ) - This source also talks about 'I'm Adopted'
[5] Retrieved August 7, 2015. Russian adoptee shares stories The Northern Advocate - This source is only about his 'I'm Adopted' page and mentions A former Russian adoptee raised in Whangarei is helping other adopted people share their stories. This is not a BLP1E am I correct?
[6] Retrieved 4 November 2015. Adoption project enthrals Russians The Northern Advocate - This article talks about what impact his page has had with the Russian Media. I have also added these news outlet links to the article. This is due to his 'I'm Adopted' page.
[7] Retrieved 29 October 2015. In social networks, a new unusual community. Children of Russia, adopted by foreigners looking for their biological parents Translated from Russian. NTV Russia - This source is from a huge Russian Media outlet about his I'm Adopted Organisation. Read the article or watch the video.

Other References

[8] Retrieved February 26, 2015. From Russia with love The Northern Advocate - This article is about his Book 'My Russian Side' that he published in 2014. It reads Now 22, Alex, has written a book about his journey.
[9] Retrieved 23 February 2015. TVNZ - This is his actual Full Length NZ TV Documentary Story which aired in NZ and yes at the time was an issue where BLP1E was talked about in the previous deletions. New Sources have since been found and updated. ALOT MORE
[10] Retrieved July 2, 2014. The New Zealand Herald - This article covers a meet up Alex Gilbert had with another New Zealander he found through his TV Documentary.
[11] Retrieved 16 November 2015. Change One Life Russia - This article is an excellent interview with Alex Gilbert about his own story and journey.
[12] Retrieved 5 June 2015. - TV3 NZ - This TV Show features Alex who talks to other adoptees who are going through the same journey as he went through.

References in Russian Language If you can't understand them then don't comment. People have been ignoring these. These are put up as a support to the article. It shows you how much coverage it had.

[13] Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarcom.ru - This article talks about his experience and journey.
[14] Retrieved 21 October 2015 New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk, threw him in the hospital . echo76 - New Russian article talking also about his life and journey to Russia.
[15] Retrieved 21 October 2015. New Zealander found in Rybinsk own mother - 76.ru - This article notes if translated Now the young man helps the other people who find themselves in a similar situation, to find their loved ones.
[16] Retrieved 21 October 2015. progorod76.ru- The guy from New Zealand found in the Yaroslavl region his own mother
[17] Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://rweek.ru/ - This article talks about his journey and experience also
[18] Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarnews.net - New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk
[19] Retrieved 21 October 2015. vesti.ru - This source is from Vesti News. One of the largest TV News outlets in Russia - Russia-24
[20] Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://bsvesti.ru/ - This is another alternative news source
[21] Retrieved 1 November 2015 yar.kp.ru - Another news source in Russia
[22] Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://rybinskcity.ru/ - A news source from Rybinsk City, Russia
[23] Retrieved 16 November 2015. - sguschenka.com - A reliable source talking to Alex directly about his experience and journey.
[24] Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://1news.uz/ - Another Russian News Source

Thank You! -- --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 22:43, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 05:04:15, 23 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Cluetrekk

Cluetrekk (talk · contribs)
- User:Cluetrekk (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have received comment from Robert McClenon saying that the draft page for the 'New Swears' was neither accepted nor rejected. The specific comment indicated there was concern with the statement "New Swears have received significant notoriety..."; so I have changed it to "New Swears have received significant attention..." Hopefully that will satisfy. Thanks very much. Cluetrekk

Cluetrekk (talk) 05:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cluetrekk - looks like Tokyogirl79 did a ton of good work on the article and got it into shape for the mainspace. Congrats. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

06:53:12, 23 November 2015 review of submission by 14.99.97.8

14.99.97.8 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Sumana Mukherjee (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Beau Ideal

Hello, I am slightly surprised by your second revert. I am sure you are aware of the terms of WP:IUP and WP:OWN and of the fact many articles on PD films are illustrated with the films themselves when they are available on Commons. I am generally thanked for taking the trouble to upload these films on Commons and inserting them in articles, not twice reverted. How can we work out a compromise ? Cheers, — Racconish^☎ 17:10, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Racconish - Nothing to do with WP:OWN. The first time I reverted was because your insert completely messed up the formatting of the entire article, but at that point I thought it was a simple image of the title card from the film, not realizing it was a video link. The second time I reverted because the link to the video is already in EL, as I explained in my revert, so adding that video link is redundant. I think the link is sufficient, but feel free to discuss it on the talk page of the article and get input from other editors (you might want to post a link to the discussion on the film project, since I don't think many folks have that article on their watchlist). If the consensus is to put that video link rather than a simple external link, of course I'll abide by that. But can you point to a single GA or FA film article which has such a link? I think that's the standard we should use, since it's the goal to get articles in as good shape as possible. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:26, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. Take the Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Silent films task force to which I belong. For all films which have subsisted and are PD, particularly FA, a video illustrates the article (e.g. A Cure for Pokeritis and Gertie the Dinosaur). I think there is a consensus to consider the film itself has a high EV in the article (e.g. File:Night of the Living Dead (1968).webm and File:The Mystery of the Leaping Fish (1916).webm). I would be surprised if you could find one FA or GA on a film for which there is a copy at Commons and where the film itself does not illustrate the article. Cheers, — Racconish^☎ 09:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Racconish - Excellent! Have re-added it to the article. Take it easy. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I just hope I didn't sound harsh as I certainly didn't mean to. Happy editing ! Cheers, — Racconish^☎ 12:58, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely not, Racconish, (okay, maybe a little

). Just hope you understand my viewpoint wasn't one of "ownership", but rather making sure the addition to the article was an improvement, which you clearly showed it was. Thanks for helping improve the article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Article Review

username: Rain Gregorio Gorilla Stationers URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gorilla_Stationers,_LLC

Hi, I just made a few changes to the article that you reviewed a few days ago. May you tell me if I should make more changes to the article and what is need to fix it?

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rain Gregorio Gorilla Stationers (talk • contribs) 17:18, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Rain Gregorio Gorilla Stationers - Here's the thing, you need in-depth coverage from independent, secondary sources. Press releases are not independent, 2 of your 7 sources are pr, and business listings, like that in Blomberg are supplied by the company, so they're not independent either. Blogs and Yelp are not reliable sources, 2 of the 7 are from those sites. Sources from the subject's own website are not independent, that's another one of your sites. Which leaves you with only the last remaining citation, which I can't evaluate since it's a pay site. You'll need at least 3 in-depth pieces (2 more, assuming the one I can't see is a good one), in order to show notability. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

How else to establish notability??

Hi,

I have cited all the relevant and big publications, blogs etc which has either reported on PolicyX.com or have carried a blog/article from us. What else do you require to establish notability. Does getting featured in India's top newspapers, financial and blog sites not enough for you guys to establish notability of a company. I have posted 'verifiable third party content' as stated in your guidelines, get them verified. Not every company can be a FB, Google or Microsoft. This is really strange at your end to not be ready to accept the links as notable. Should we get featured in New York Times or Mirror to establish notability..??

Tusharapj (talk) 05:35, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Tusharapj - Yup. That would work. But barring that, you need in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show notability. Not mere mentions, not listings, not press releases, not blogs. Hope that helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Request on 14:50:44, 24 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by HastingsBella

HastingsBella (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Mads Munk (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear Editor - You mention that we needed 3+ independent notable editorial sources to support this entry. Which we do have. Here is a little more information about them below - they are all either major national or international titles. Please advise if this will be enough for us to make a new entry and for Mads Munk to qualify as notable? There are also many Danish sources - in Danish - but we wanted this to be an English language version - do you suggest we add in all the links to media sources in the Danish media as well even though they are in Danish language? If you would be very kind and let us know if you think this is enough - then we will go ahead and re-post. Many thanks - HastingsBella

1. Wallpaper Magazine - the world's leading design magazine published by Time Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallpaper_(magazine) http://www.wallpaper.com/design/mental-playground-mads-munk-and-the-singular-spirit-of-denmarks-m2film

2. Square Mile - the leading lifestyle and business magazine for the City of London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Mile_(magazine) http://www.squaremile.com/the-interview-mads-munk/

3.Financial Times - one of the world's leading business newspapers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Times http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/6d4751e4-56be-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html#axzz3nuJRkW3eA

4. Scandinavian Traveller - SAS airline magazine http://www.mediastar.co.in/scandinavian-traveler-sas-airways.php https://scandinaviantraveler.com/en/places/is-aarhus-the-happiest-city-in-the-world

We also have quotes from and about Mads Munk featured in the following articles which can be included as well:- ADWeek - http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/edmonton-defends-epic-bus-ad-which-looks-carbon-copy-famous-2012-spot-166466 Viral Video Awards http://www.viralvideoaward.com/epic-bus-ad-from-denmark/ IMdB http://www.imdb.com/company/co0283966/ Little Black Book Online http://lbbonline.com/news/m2film-danish-production-agency-of-the-year/ Mediawatch http://mediawatch.dk/Medienyt/TV/article6773961.ece BureauBiz http://www.bureaubiz.dk/Nyheder/Artikler/2013/Uge-49/Ny-koncernledelse-i-M2-Film

HastingsBella (talk) 14:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi HastingsBella - The wallpaper article is good. The Square Mile piece is an interview, and so it's a primary source and can't be used for notability purposes (but it's definitely a nice piece, otherwise, and can be used as a citation, just not for notability). The other 2 look decent. You've resubmitted it, so let's see what other editors have to say. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Remitly, Inc

Hello, I hope you are doing well. You declined my submission Draft:Remitly, Inc for being like advertisement. Can you please specify the exact things that need to be changed? I think it is the services part? Should I remove it completely? I was following the Western Union article in this since they are the same. I would greatly appreciate your help.Susana Hodge (talk) 09:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Susana Hodge - not a bad plan to follow the format of a major article like WF. Problem is, even though it's a large article, it's a bit promotional. Most articles about companies are, however, it has such a breadth of other information which dilutes the promotional focus of the article. When you have a small article, and a 1/4 of it is services, that's promotional right off the bat. If your history, etc. was 10 x as big, wouldn't be such an issue. Add to that the funding piece (which again, in a larger article isn't promotional, but in a small article becomes problematic), and again, the two sentences in the lead which are promotional: "The service allows users to make instant direct deposits within its network of banks. The company offers money transfer from 45 US states to Mexico, India and Philippines." And the overall effect is promotional. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the very detailed response. There are so many messages on your page. I don't know how you do it. Kudos. I have edited the article. Removed the services part entirely. Also, the direct bank deposit line. I didn't remove the 45 states to mexico line. I feel that it is important to add since the company does not offer its service world wide, not even from all of the US states. Resubmitted it for review.Susana Hodge (talk) 05:43, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

One more thing. I think that the article should be named "Remitly", not "Remitly Inc." as per MOS.Susana Hodge (talk) 05:44, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

09:31:22, 25 November 2015 review of submission by Sid De La Cruz

Sid De La Cruz (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Sid De La Cruz Draft (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, the reviewer mentioned that there needed to be references. Can you please be specific on what parts need references so that I can provide them. Thank you Sid De La Cruz (talk) 09:31, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sid De La Cruz - please read the links provided on the draft page. Everything in the article needs to be cited in a reliable source. And to show notability you need at least 3 in-depth articles from reliable, independent sources. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:47, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Draft:School of Journalism and Mass Communications

Hi, Onel5969. Thank you for reviewing my draft: [25]. I do have a question... or rather, a request. Could you give me an example of a correct citation? I have looked over TeaHouse and the wiki guidelines and I think I may have misunderstood what is required. Thank you! Cravennn (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cravennn - Sure thing. First, there are two types of citations those for notability and those for verifiability. Your citations are fine for the latter. For notability, a reference can't be associated with the subject, so anything which has to do with the University doesn't count, or things published by folks associated with the University, or press releases. Second, it needs to be in-depth, so listings and mentions don't work. Third, it needs to be reliable, so blogs and social network sites are verboten (I don't think this is an issue in your article, but wanted to mention it for future reference). Fourth, the reference actually needs to talk about the subject. For excample the creatathon reference doesn't mention the school at all. The Editor and Publisher piece would be excellent, if it was focused on the school, and not that one program, but still good. What to look for is in-depth pieces from independent reliable sources, and that usually means newspapers and magazines. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Onel5969. I'll try and fix this as soon as I can. Hope you had a great holiday! Cravennn (talk) 13:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Drafts

@Onel5969: Can the draft articles be self reviewed? Like Draft:Karavadi article if I improve and accept myself?--Vin09 (talk) 14:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Vin09 - I don't see why not? Can't think of a policy or guideline against it. Am pinging an admin Ricky81682 to see if I'm incorrect. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually they are not created by me. But I'm improving them and publishing, nut only village articles.--Vin09 (talk) 05:47, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

That's perfectly fine. You could create some drama and problems if the article is published too quickly, isn't really ready and get taken to AFD or the like as the person who was working on it shouldn't have to go through that on their work. I'd make sure that the person created it hasn't edited in say a year before doing that sort of thing (IP addresses are a little more tricky) but if you're working on village articles, that's fine. Also, notice that the bot overtakes the talk page and removes all the prior WikiProject I had put here so it's no longer in the Indian cities project the like. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

16:25:55, 25 November 2015 review of submission by Joshbelke

Joshbelke (talk · contribs)
- Draft:DevaCurl (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is my first contribution, which has been in progress for several months.

I am modeling the information after the following references, and looking at using the same if not more sources that they currently include: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouidad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol%27s_Daughter and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephora

Unlike Ouidad and Carol's daughter, DevaCurl has been the categorical market leader in the curly hair industry, has originated the methodology and the deva cut, and is featured as a leading product in over 300 Sephora's nationwide. What's unclear to me is how smaller companies with less notoriety are able to be approved with fewer 3rd party references, and less information present.

Hi Joshbelke, and welcome to Wikipedia. Don't worry about other articles. That's an other stuff exists argument, and is never effective when you point to inferior works. I didn't comment on your sourcing, but the fact that your article reads like an advertisement. Articles tell us about a subject, articles attempt to sell us a product. Don't go on about products and services. Don't use peacock terms (I don't think you did in your article, but just including it as reference). Don't tell us about "missions" or how founders were "committed"... those are objective commentary. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:31, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Samuel J. Briskin

Thanks for all your work on Samuel J. Briskin. Are you able to find a reference with all his children? I'd like to make sure Bernard Briskin was his son.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:04, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Zigzig20s, and thanks. That was an exhaustive one for me. I'm pretty sure Bernard is mentioned in the obit (cite #1), which I can't open at work to verify. I had seen his name all over the place, and at the last minute noticed there was a family connection, so I know I cited it. Let me know if that's not it, and I'll look back over my browser history and see which one it is. But no, other than the family mention in the obit, there's no other place where more than a single family connection is mentioned. Take it easy. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Yup Zigzig20s, it's in the 3rd paragraph of the obit. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm working on Bernard Briskin. I would appreciate some help if you can find more referenced info to add. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:22, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Excellent Zigzig20s! At some point I'm going to do an article on Irving (one of the founders of Screen Gems). I don't know if you know about it but Media History Digital Project is an excellent resource for the silent and golden film ages. It's a bit labor intensive, since you have to look at each collection and search, but that's what I did for Samuel. Usually I get specific, like when searching for stuff about a particular film I always uses quotes, i.e. "China Passage", and I usually do that with names as well, like "Russell Gleason". But with Sam I simply put in the last name, Briskin. Got lots of hits on Irving and Murray, and got a few on Bernard, but only like 10 or so on the other son, Jerry. I tend to be methodical about it, going issue by issue. I don't go through each magazine, because some aren't geared to all aspects of film. For example, for actors, I don't usually go through American Cinematographer, but do look there for DP's (obviously), but also for producers - there's not much there on producers, but sometimes you get a nice tidbit (like the one I got on Sam's thriftiness - which was then backed up in other articles). I do look through Modern Screen, Sceenland, Photoplay and Silver Screen for actors, but you won't find much on production folks in those - sometimes they are good for films. But on Bernard's article - look at the sources I used in Sam's article, that' where I would guess you'd find the best references. Of course, I also have a Newspaper subscription (through Wikipedia), and I use that as well. Hope this helps, and good luck. Let me know if you need a hand. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion/Rename

I have renamed my user account. Can you revisit the Professional Business Accountants' Society of Canada speedy page deletion? This page was written about a non-profit society, not a for profit business and the attribution would be to the new user account name. For notability the Society has active members in every province except Quebec. If you reinstate the page I can edit or remove any portion that does not conform with Wikipedia standards.LemmyK (talk) 00:58, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi LemmyK - I'm not an admin, so I can't. But if you go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion, I'm pretty sure you can request it there. Not sure of what the parameters are, but that would be the best place. Good luck. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:12, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

01:43:52, 26 November 2015 review of submission by Jing jsb

Jing jsb (talk · contribs)
- Draft:DigiPas USA LLC (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

We are not sure why our article was declined with the same reason "reads more like an advertisement". After the first rejection with this reason given, we have omitted any advertising materials but was again rejected and the reason provided was that the references do not show notability. We think that this is very subjective, perhaps you could advice which areas we need improvement on so that we can make changes? Thank you!

Hi Jing jsb - "The eGeeTouch Smart NFC Padlock was first introduced in August 2014 at the 50th Japan DIY Homecenter Show and was voted "The Best New Product"[3] by buyers. In 2015, the Smart Luggage Lock was first showcased[4][5] in the 2015 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES)[6] in Las Vegas, USA and was named an Innovation Award Honoree[7][8] under the "Tech for Better World" category." - all promotional. The rest of the article is simply promotion for the company's products. Think of it this way: Articles tell, advertisements sell. Tell us about the company, don't try to sell us the products. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:41, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 09:05:55, 27 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Dinowin

Dinowin (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Nashik wine industry (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dinowin (talk) 09:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello Onel

I am Dinowin..I have worked on Nashik Wine Industry page. It was declined as due to not enough content in the article and was suggested to merge the content in Nashik page. I have moved the whole content in Nashik page.

Thanks for your support.

Hi Dinowin - Excellent job! One thing, it's not necessarily that there wasn't enough for it's own article, but that it will probably be more helpful for readers if it is on the main article for the community. Folks who might otherwise miss the wine article, since they are only looking up the community, will now be able to see it. Anyway, again, nice job, happy editing! Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:54, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Constructive

Hi,

In what way was it not constructive? It's actual content from the page and has actual confirmed DNA information which has not been on the page before this. Who are you and why will you not allow the truth to be posted as per the cited sites and actual DNA results?

Thanks Haggisnneeps (talk) 14:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Haggisnneeps - not sure what part of this independent citation you don't understand. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:31, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rafic_Nakib

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rafic_Nakib Why can't the same reviewer look at the same page after I edit it? The two before you said it lacks of sources, and I sohuld add why this person is notable. After adding that you come to say that my added refrences are over the top and I am using peacock terms. I added dozens of published links in english and arabic but you are still saying u need "reliable sources". With all the links i added from many arabic websites, and from cnn, bbc, ny times, daily mail etc.. you are still doubting the sources as unreliable. In the last section The awards are linked to refrences in arabic but with photos showing this same man receiving the awards mentionned. I am writing an arabic version, but i want to get done with the english one first. So if you see some over the top terms, remove them or modify them instead of rejecting the entire article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PoppyJr78 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi PoppyJr78 - Don't worry, won't ever look at the article again. Take it easy. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:57, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

16:04:48, 28 November 2015 review of submission by Ntuthuzelo Makhasi

Ntuthuzelo Makhasi (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Ntuthuzelo Makhasi (The First Black South African Primatologist) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I believe that this kind of information is important to motivate other people to explore various fields of studies. In this case, I represent primatology. Please visit this website http://www.ufh.ac.za/centres/apies/ to see the authenticity of this article, find Ntuthuzelo Makhasi, in addition to that google Ntuthuzelo Makhasi or the references given. Thank you very much

Hi Ntuthuzelo Makhasi - never questioned the article's authenticity. But does it meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines? Difficult to ascertain in it's current condition, which is why I gave you several links to show you how to format and structure your article, how to use and format citations, etc. Good luck with it.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:15, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Samuel J. Briskin

On 29 November 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Samuel J. Briskin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Samuel J. Briskin founded the independent film company Liberty Pictures with his longtime friend, director Frank Capra? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Samuel J. Briskin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Regarding for Article creation

Hi Onel5969,

I created article for company in sandbox and submit to review. all reviews came same reply. Kindly check this url https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:GCC_Exchange and can you help me to improve my article. my user id is murthykmd

Thanks in Advance, Regards, Murthy

Hi Murthykmd - First, whenever leaving a comment, please make sure that you "sign" it with the ~~~~. That let's editors quickly link to your user page (rather than typing in your user name as you did above). Second, regarding your article, to show notability, you'll need 2-3 in-depth articles from reliable, independent sources. Usually that means magazines, newspapers or books. They can't be press releases or from sites affiliated with the subject of the article (as you currently have). And they should be at least several paragraphs long and focused on the article's subject. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:15, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Please check if still considered as advertising.

Hi Onel5969, My username is Bayu Candra, S.E. Thank you for reviewing my article. However you have not accepted my article at this URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:IFFINA. You gave reason that my article was considered more like an advertisement.

Actually i was trying to get more deep information about IFFINA. Because previous reviewer before you, left me message something like "Just need more deep 3rd party references" or some thing like that. I was tried to get more deep by getting more information from some news websites, but seem the result look more like advertisement article from your perspective.

After read your message i am checking my article straightforward. I think the part that make my article look like advertisement was at the "History". I have made some improvement now, especially at part "President give appreciation to the event..." at year 2015, "Minister give appreciation..." at year 2013, and "Visitor more than expected...". Some sentence have been changed, some i just remove.

Could you please help me to see if i have improved what seem not right from your perspective. Otherwise could you please give me more advice.

Thank you in advance.

Hi Bayu Candra, S.E. - First, when you leave a message on someone's talk page, or on an article's talk page, always sign it with the four tildas: ~~~~. That helps editors link directly to you (rather than simply typing your username as you did above). Second, regarding your article. Yes, it is much less promotional now, but I can't comment on the notability. It appears to be notable, but I haven't checked out the references. Third, you might want to write the history section in prose, rather than as bullet points, since that is the preferred format, but if not, that's okay as well. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Overlinking

Hi. Just a quick thing, about the American Sniper page. I don't see how the two instances of linking (once where Clint Eastwood was linked twice in the infobox, and once where Bradley Cooper was linked twice in the infobox) are different. Is it just that there's one line between the two Clint Eastwoods, and seven between the two Bradley Coopers in the infobox? PeterTheFourth (talk) 15:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi PeterTheFourth - You are correct there is no difference. My prior revert was incorrect. Somehow I thought they were unlinking Cooper's name in the cast list, not a dupe link in the infobox. I've self-reverted. Thanks for pointing it out. Take it easy. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Review of citations

Hello. You gave me some advice about preparing a page for the artist Tighe O'Donoghue/Ross which you had declined on 9 Sept due to not enough citations and those given weren't formatted well. You said I should let you know when I had reviewed the material and was ready for it to be looked at again. Could you do so now, when you are able? Your assistance is really appreciated. The link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tighe_O'DonoghueRoss. Thank you. Garranes (talk) 15:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely, Garranes - Just took a look. The citations look a lot better. I tweaked the first three to give you a slightly better idea. The early career section needs references. Other than that, I think it's good to go. Nice job. After you make the corrections, resubmit it and hit me back and I'll move it to mainspace. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:23, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Question - Do I need to use the citation templates all the time? I had trouble getting things to look right at times and finally entered some of them manually instead. I'm not really sure which other citations need improvement?! Is the early career section OK now? Thanks very much. Your help is much appreciated.Garranes (talk) 19:23, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

17:45:57, 30 November 2015 review of submission by Graciewinchester5

Graciewinchester5 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:The Drilling Company (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! I am a bit confused as to what is not credible about my post. Would it help to remove the citation that has anything to do with the Drilling Company website? This has been a tradition in the city for as long as I can remember, so I am hoping to make this work for the encyclopedia somehow.

Did I cite anything incorrectly? Do you not accept the theatre company's website as a source at all? Should I get rid of it all together?

Thank you.

Hi Graciewinchester5 - part of the issue is that you included "raw links", rather than using those links as citations, which would have helped dramatically. I've converted one into a reference. I think once you do that, it'll be okay. Let me know when you do and I'll take another look. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:38, 1 December 2015 (UTC)