User talk:RuASG

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Mozilla Digital Memory Bank

Dear TarzanASG,

I am a graduate research assistant at the Center for History and New Media at George Mason University. In recent years we have produced a number of online archives such as The September 11 Digital Archive (http://911digitalarchive.org/) and the Hurricane Digital Memory Bank (http://www.hurricanearchive.org/). Our team is currently gathering digital documents related to Mozilla products for the Mozilla Digital Memory Bank (http://mozillamemory.org), and we are in the process of interviewing some of the lead members, former and present, of the Mozilla community.

I recently found your Mozilla/Firefox-related contributions located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mozilla_Firefox. Given your involvement with Mozilla, we think your voice would be an excellent addition to the archive. If you are interested in having your perspectives added to the record, we can conduct the interview via Skype, instant messenger, or email—whichever method might fit your schedule and preferences best.

I have included below the first three questions of the interview in order to give you a sense of the process. For examples of completed interviews, please feel free to examine the interviews section (http://mozillamemory.org/browse.php?cat=interview) of our archive.

If you are interested in contributing your perspectives on the Mozilla community and its products, you can reach me by e-mail at gcheong@gmu.edu. Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have any questions regarding the interview process or the Mozilla Digital Memory Bank.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Best regards,

Giny Cheong
Gcheong (talk) 23:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Graduate Research Assistant
Center for History and New Media (http://chnm.gmu.edu)
Department of History and Art History
George Mason University
4400 University Drive, MSN 1E7
Fairfax, VA 22030-4444

Interview Questions

When did you begin using computers? How did you get interested in computers?

What is your education background? Have you had formal computer training?

What’s the first programming project you remember working on?

Sochi

Hi there! Just wanted to tell you that while I don't object to having {{Territorial divisions of Sochi}} in principle, I don't really see it as useful as long as all but one link in it are red. Are you planning to start all those articles? It's just that we don't normally create navigational templates when there is nothing to navigate. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:00, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Не планирую - не смогу, но я думаю, что в ближайшее время Сочи будут интересоваться и статьи будут написаны. В любом случае красные ссылки - не катастрофа, но если что их можно попробовать заменить на ссылки на категории (может быть я займусь этим). --TarzanASG (talk) 23:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Вот только потому, что в ближайшее время Сочи будут интересоваться и не настаиваю на удалении :) Против красных ссылок в принципе я лично ничего не имею; проблема в том, что писать-то об этих несчастных сельских округах (помимо того, что есть такой, население столько, административный центр там-то, включает в себя деревни такие-то). Может и правда заменить их на категории? Для категорий, однако, надо будет написать про все деревни, что в эти сельские округа входят, а это тоже труд немалый...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 23:17, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

А кажется уже есть статьи об объектах, расположенных в округах, так что будет что запихнуть в категории. --TarzanASG (talk) 02:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

2009 Nevsky Express bombing

Откуда вы взяли координаты места катастрофы, и насколько они точны? Hellerick (talk) 15:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Из Викимапии. Насколько точны не знаю, длина зоны происшествия где-то километр. Но объекты сходятся - подстанция и Хмелёвка (данные есть в СМИ) как раз рядом. --TarzanASG (talk) 15:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Yegor Gaidar

On 16 December 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Yegor Gaidar, which you recently nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 20:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Yota

There was no blocking of sites by Yota. Quite opposite, some sites were blocking IP ranges, used by Yota.DonaldDuck (talk) 01:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Были блокировки, не были - не важно. В авторитетных источниках информация была. Более того в результате этого выяснилось, что один сайт они всё таки блокируют. Если хотите, то можете всё это описать подробнее, но для удаления нет никаких причин. --TarzanASG (talk) 05:34, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Так ведь выяснилось, что не Yota блокировала сайты, а, наоборот, сайты блокировали пользователей Yota. Потом, не все, что произвело шум в блогах значимо.

Не в блогах, а в авторитетных источниках, включая деловые газеты. Я прекрасно понимаю, что "сайты блокировали пользователей Yota", но когда война заканчивается, статья о ней не удаляется - точно так же и с этим случаем. Смело пишите в статью, что пользователи подняли шум на пустом месте и т.д. и т.п., но удалять ничего не надо, т.к. данное событие имело место. --TarzanASG (talk) 12:56, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Что такое Sankt Pieter Burch?? В английском языке нет такого варианта. Зачем выдумывать какие-то нестандартные названия?DonaldDuck (talk) 11:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Зато в нидерландском есть, а в Я.Новостях есть множество источников о том как раньше назывался Питер. В следующий раз спрашивайте об этом Яндекс, а не меня. --TarzanASG (talk) 12:56, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

В нидерландском - Sint-Petersburg. Но вообще это не нидерландский и не русский раздел. В английском такого нет названия нет и не нужно изобретать какие-то новые транскрипции.DonaldDuck (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Питер при основании назывался "Санкт-Питер-Бурхъ" (от нидерландского слова "Sint-Pietersburg"). Судя по статье Sint-Petersburg "Санкт-Питер-Бурхъ" по-нидерландски будет "Sankt-Piter-Boerch". А "Sankt Pieter Burch" выдумал авторитетный источник. Вобщем, если вы знаете как правильно латинскими буквами передать звучание слова "Санкт-Питер-Бурхъ" (так же как "Петроград" -> "Petrograd"), то, пожалуйста, правьте смело, но совершенно очевидно, что "Санкт-Питер-Бурхъ" не может записываться латинскими как "Saint Petersburg". --TarzanASG (talk) 14:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

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Дык ведь изображения восстановить после удаления невозможно технически; можно только описание...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:10, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

А, мда, не проснулся ещё как следует :) Есть. Но в любом случае, с запросами на восстановление надо в первую очередь обращаться к администратору, ответственному за удаление...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:21, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Спрошу, почему файл был удалён. А то действительно не очень понятно.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:29, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Нашёл вот этот DRV. Не то, чтобы стало намного понятнее (два overturn'а и один коммент, но изображение при этом восстановлено не было), но во всяком случае стоит его, наверное, залистить на восстановление по обычным каналам. Если не секрет, зачем вам эта фотография? Чего-чего, а художественной ценности она явно не представляет :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:39, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Кто-то пытался быть очень осторожным :) Из того, что я вижу, это не был office action, имеются два голоса на восстановление, фотография свободно доступна на другом сайте, и, по-видимому, в итоге всё просто завяло в виду отсутствия интереса. Я сделал запрос товарищу Tango, который был последним комментатором на DRV; если они ничего существенного не добавит, будем восстанавливать :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:17, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Готово. На всякий случай спрошу — вы понимаете, что офис уже не в этом здании?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:44, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Moving page

Moving the page to 2010 Moscow Metro terrorist bombings is somewhat premature, especially given the source you are using that is based on unconfirmed information that speculates that the explosions were due to a suicide bomber. While it is certainly a likely outcome, I think you're pushing it beyond what is actually publicly known and able to be reliably sourced at this point. Risker (talk) 06:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

It's 100% terrorism according to officals. --TarzanASG (talk) 06:31, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Find the source that actually says that, because the links in the article right now suspect it but do not state it categorically. I believe your move was premature. Risker (talk) 06:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Profsoyuznaya (street)

I have nominated Profsoyuznaya (street), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Profsoyuznaya (street). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 19:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Dabs

Хотел посоветовать не тратить время попусту на создание страничек типа Ploshchad Revolyutsii. Если вы не собираетесь сами писать статьи про эти улицы/площади и т.п., то странички эти очень скоро удалят согласно WP:DABRL. Если же собираетесь, то убедитесь, что эти улицы соответствуют правилам о notability. А то получится, что и своё время потеряете, и нам дополнительную работу создадите.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2010; 13:52 (UTC)

Нет никакого сомнения в значимости. К счастью нет правила, что о России можно писать только в русской Википедии, а в английской - нельзя. =)) А удаление ссылок, думаю, будет просто противоречить здравому смыслу. Если, например, не написана статья о столице России, то это не значит, что основным значением слова "Москва" становится город в США. Точно так же Ploshchad Revolyutsii - это далеко не метро в Москве, а Владимир - не только Путин. =)) --TarzanASG (talk) 14:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Я про здравый смысл очень хорошо понимаю, но из прошлого опыта объяснить это участникам проекта WP:DAB невозможно. Если на красные строчки нет ссылок из статей, они их удалят (и удалят скорее раньше чем позже), поскольку страницы разрешения неоднозначностей предназначены только для навигации, а не для перечисления всех возможных вариантов. Спорить с ними бесполезно (я три года спорил, пока не плюнул). В общем, вы делайте как считаете нужным, но не говорите потом, что я не предупреждал :) У меня лично проблем с этим подходом нет, просто жалко времени, которое вы на это потратите.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2010; 15:29 (UTC)

Ой, как всё тут запущено. =)) А вы не знаете есть ли инструмент, чтобы посмотреть все когда-либо отредактированные мной статьи и добавить их в список наблюдения (аналогично списку созданных статей)? --TarzanASG (talk) 15:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Нет, не знаю, к сожалению, но вот тут можно увидеть список наиболее вами правимых статей. Поскольку общее число правок у вас небольшое, большинство статей в этот список попадут (чтобы увидеть список, надо также opt-in). Добавлять статьи в список наблюдения, правда, придётся вручную.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2010; 16:07 (UTC)

А не подскажите где можно почитать о склеивании терминов мужского, женского и среднего рода? Мне это не нравится. --TarzanASG (talk) 16:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Это недокументированно, но 99% наших статей построено именно так. Как главный enforcer этого подхода могу объяснить, почему.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2010; 16:30 (UTC)

Да, объясните, пожалуйста. А лучше написать эссе, чтобы заново это не делать. Только не говорите, что Крылатское - это прилагательное. --TarzanASG (talk) 16:42, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Эссе я смысла не очень вижу писать; на мой взгляд и так должно быть очевидно (хотя вы уже не первый, кому не очевидно, так что может придётся и написать). Почитайте пока вот эту недавнюю дискуссию.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2010; 17:26 (UTC)

Что-то неубедительно. Надо бы сравнить с другими языками и провести широкое обсуждение. --TarzanASG (talk) 19:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Что именно неубедительно? Что читателям удобнее видеть все три формы одного слова на одной странице, вместо того, чтобы скакать между тремя? Что при разделении на три страницы часть вхождений будут повторяться? Поподробнее, пожалуйста :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2010; 19:40 (UTC)

Не думаю, что это удобнее для читателя. Перенаправления вроде Tverskaya (ой, надо перенести историю правок в Tverskoy District) → Tverskoy меня, например, будут только сильно шокировать как трёхэтажный русский мат по какой-нибудь ссылке на тему Южной Америки. Я как-нибудь (через недельку м. б.) получше подумаю по теме и подробнее отвечу. --TarzanASG (talk) 20:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Не понимаю, что тут шокирующего. Прилагательное-то одно и то же; род его зависит только от существительного, за ним следующего. В орфографическом словаре вас же не шокирует, что в строчке "такая-то" будет стоять "см. такой-то"? Зачем всё усложнять? Вот объясните мне, в чём польза разделения одной страницы на три? Не каждый англоязычный читатель знает, что русские прилагательные могут стоять в трёх родах. Если ему надо будет найти, например, посёлок Октябрьский, а известно только, что в нём есть Октябрьская администрация и он является частью сельского поселения Октябрьское, какие думаете будут шансы на успех? И в газетах наших местных русские названия перевирают тоже постоянно, включая и роды прилагательных. В русской Википедии такой проблемы нет, там русский у читателей всё-таки родной язык — не найдут в статье "Октябрьское", проверят "Октябрьский" или "Октябрьская" (хотя опять-таки, в чём тайный смысл читателя гонять между страничками я просто не понимаю).

В общем я домогаться до вас по этому поводу не хочу, но вы подумайте действительно получше. Вопрос не такой простой, как кажется на поверхности... Я несколько лет назад и сам эти странички разбивал на три, между прочим. С практикой прошло :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2010; 20:18 (UTC)

Я думаю, что мы не должны как бы учить англоязычных пользователей. Они как не знают о трёх родах, так и не должны знать, а мы не должны их насильно перенаправлять. Википедия - не словарь, для которого приемлемо объединение в соответствии с русским языком. Мы должны зафиксировать то, что есть. Мне кажется, что русские прилагательные воспринимаются как существительные, как названия предметов. Вопрос о том, как правильно оформить должен задаваться, но мне кажется надо поступать так же, как и со статьёй Linux, которая не называется GNU/Linux. Не надо что-либо придумывать за пользователей. Так можно под лозунгом "они же не поймут" объединить Kirovsk, Kirov, Kirovsky и Kirovka в одну неоднозначность. Я бы ещё понял такое объединение в русском разделе, но в английском, я считаю, это совершенно неприемлемо и здесь мы не должны принимать во внимание особенности русского языка. Оформить все страницы надо в стиле страницы Kirovsk. Как-то так. --TarzanASG (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Извиняюсь за задержку, не заметил ответ.

Я не думаю, что объединение трёх родов прилагательного в одну статью является формой "обучения" англоязычных читателей. Википедия, конечно, не словарь, но и прилагательные мы объединяем не столько поэтому, сколько из-за удобства, которое в то же время поддерживается практикой, используемой словарями, и вполне реальной конфузией, вызванной тем, что одно и то же прилагательное непредсказуемо меняет форму в зависимости от того, к какому слово оно приставлено. Можно, конечно, перепутать и Киров с Кировском, Кировским, и Кировкой, но объединять их все в одну страницу было бы просто неграмотно из-за отсутствия теоретической базы. С родами прилагательных же такая база присутствует, поэтому почему бы её не использовать? Возьмите, например, Pirovsky — это и район (Пировский), и его административный центр (Пировское), и сельсовет (Пировский), и сельское поселение (Пировское), и ж/д станция (Пировская). Если несчастный англоязычный пользователь введёт в строку поиска "Pirovskaya", потому что ему довелось увидеть название этой станции в новостях, по вашей логике закончить ему свой поиск на пустой странице? Или, если страница не пустая, но содержит информацию не о станции, а о чём-то ещё под названием "Пировская", то придётся ему догадываться, что неплохо бы проверить также страницы "Pirovsky"/"Pirovskoye" в секции "see also" (если таковая вообще сможет присутствовать)? Вы же сами согласились, что о родах прилагательных такой читатель представления не имеет никакого, так каким же макаром ему знать, какие страницы в секции "see also" есть смысл проверять, а какие нет? Придётся щёлкать на каждой (что в случаем с Кировсками довольно немало). А так все прилагательные хотя бы будет в одном месте, в кое место читателя и приведёт редирект "Pirovskaya"; удобно и на строго научной базе. Зачем создавать лишние неудобства читателям? Ради "чистоты расы дизамбигов"? :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 26, 2010; 13:31 (UTC)

Ну я не эксперт, но мне очень сильно кажется, что объединять неправильно. Я думаю надо провести широкое обсуждение, а пока по возможности ничего не трогать и не исправлять один способ на другой. --TarzanASG (talk) 09:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Проблема в том, что обсуждать, в принципе, не с кем, а дело тем временем делать надо. Кроме вот вас со мною и может быть ещё одного-двух человек эта тема никого и не волнует. Англоязычные пользователи против существующей ситуации ничего не имеют, а русскоязычные имеют тенденцию смотреть на ситуацию так, как будто бы это русская википедия. Но надо же учитывать специфику! Вот у вас, например, есть конкретные возражения против технического обоснования, которое я привёл выше? Если есть, давайте по ним пройдёмся (только желательно не на вашей или моей странице обсуждения, и желательно не по-русски) по порядку и выясним, почему что-то сделано так, как сделано, какие достоинства и недостатки будут, если сделать по-другому, и стоит ли вообще мутить рыбу в и без того мутной воде :) Какой, например, смысл переворашивать сотни и сотни страниц, только для того, чтобы сделать всё "по-другому"? Я с этими несчастными прилагательными и неоднозначностями пыхчу тут уже вот шестой год, могу честно заявить, что то, как сделано сейчас, замечательно работает, а то, как вы предлагаете, работать будет тоже, но вовсе не так замечательно. Другими словами, если сейчас success rate 95%, то с вашим вариантом он опустится до 75% (цифры, понятно, субъективно и с потолка, но на основе опыта, поскольку с предлагаемого вами варианта я сам и начинал). А как вы думаете?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 24, 2010; 13:46 (UTC)

Chatroulette

With due respect, I don't see why we need to insert promotional material into this article. Could you please either stop doing so, or attempt to get consensus on the talk page. Regards. --RegentsPark (talk) 13:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

It is not promotional. I added information and link to article related to Chatroulette article. --TarzanASG (talk) 14:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

The point is that it really adds nothing to the article. We don't really need to put everyone who has appeared on chatroulette into the see also section of the article. --RegentsPark (talk) 14:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so. Merton is first Chatroulette celebrity and important part of Chatroulette culture. Info about Merton is more important than simple streaming of Faith No More and other information in article. --TarzanASG (talk) 15:05, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

If that is the case, then the fact that he is the first celebrity should be mentioned, in an appropriate context, in the article itself. I've nothing against that assuming that the sources themselves provide the context and are reliable. --RegentsPark (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Revert your reverts and help with sources. --TarzanASG (talk) 17:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Moves...

...Should be discussed on the talk page first, especially when you know another editor disagrees with you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation image issue

That photo was originally tagged as GFDL when I uploaded to Wikipedia, but the clown who moved it to Wikimedia Commons forgot to transfer the license as well.

Anyway, that photo should NOT be on Wikipedia. I don't know if you know what happened back when I uploaded that photo, but it was promptly deleted in a rare Office Action by the Wikimedia Foundation because they were terrified of anti-Wikipedia wackos coming in off the street and going postal. I'm surprised the file is still around, as I thought it was deleted years ago. --Coolcaesar (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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Готово. Также попросил автора фотографии добавить правильный тэг.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 24, 2010; 13:17 (UTC)

А его разве не переносили на Commons со всей историей?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 25, 2010; 12:01 (UTC)

Там есть одна правка, которую я не стал восстанавливать, потому что в ней ничего, кроме добавления тэга CSD не было. А как хоть файл на Commons-то называется, куда этот перенесли?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 26, 2010; 12:42 (UTC)

ITN for Yury Luzhkov

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Suggestion

I notice you're adding "expand from the Russian wiki" templates to a variety of articles. I'm not opposed, but would you consider either being more specific with your concerns, or putting the template on the talk page instead of the article space? The article Boris Nemtsov, for example, is already quite long and detailed. It would help to know what information you would like moved from one article to the other. Thanks for your work! Khazar2 (talk) 03:12, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Municipal divisions

Hi there! Since you are working on the municipal cats anyway, could you please mirror the Moscow and Moscow Oblast's structures to match the structure already implemented in Category:Municipal divisions of the Republic of Adygea? Even though the municipal aspect is usually covered in articles about the administrative divisions (except when the entities are territorially different), the best approach for the municipal cats is to populate them with appropriate redirects. This way the differences between the administrative and municipal divisions become more clear, and, considering how most people confuse them, every little bit helps. Let me know if I can assist with anything. Cheers!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 14, 2012; 18:06 (UTC)

I've gone through Category:Urban okrugs of Moscow Oblast. If you want to tackle the municipal districts, that'd be great; otherwise I'll handle them myself later. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 14, 2012; 18:45 (UTC)

Приветствую! Так я и занимаюсь этим, чтобы было понятнее и нагляднее и мне, и другим (я уже заодно нашёл ошибки и обновил устаревшее в связи с расширением Москвы). Не знаю насколько много буду делать, но то, что интересно, делать буду. Как всё оформлять не до конца уверен, так как в рувики, например, удалили категорию муниципального деления Москвы, так как раньше это было одно и то же, что и районы. А редиректы нужны в рувики даже больше, чем здесь. --TarzanASG (talk) 18:56, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Спасибо за помощь! Хочу только отметить, что в en-wiki всё структурированно несколько по-иному. Если в рувики по какой-то причине бо́льшая часть статей написаны в первую очередь о муниципальных образованиях, тут статьи сделаны в первую очередь с точки зрения образований административно-территориальных (на основе которых муниципальные образования, в общем-то, и были образованы). Поэтому все муниципальные аспекты у нас в основном редиректами :) Исключениями являются только те муниципальные образования, для которых нет точного соответствия в структуре административно-территориального устройства (см., например, Murom Urban Okrug or Anapa Urban Okrug). В любом случае, рад, что на en-wiki этим интересуется кто-то ещё помимо двух человек :) Если будут вопросы, спрашивайте. Я тут практически только этим и занимаюсь, так что всегда буду рад помочь.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 14, 2012; 19:12 (UTC)

А как быть, когда муниципальное образование собственно и состоит из одного населённого пункта (может там и их территория совпадает)? Это или маленькие города, или случаи вроде Городского округа Химки и Городского округа Коломна, которые, кажется, то же самое, что и сами Химки и Коломна. Если и население, и территория совпадает, то можно тогда включать город в муниципальную категорию? Естественно это нельзя делать (в конечном счёте после наведения порядка) в случае Балашихи, Черноголовки, Владивостока, где в соответствующие городские округа входит ещё целая куча населённых пунктов и только вместе с ними они образуют муниципальное образование. Здесь надо создавать собственные категории для таких округов, чтобы было видно, что туда надо ещё много чего включить, правда, в англовики таких статей не будет. --TarzanASG (talk) 20:06, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Так для того и делаем редиректы, чтобы не включать одну и ту же статью в самые разные категории, иначе все категории будут захламлены и будет совершенно непонятно, почему та же Черноголовка включена и в административно-территориальные категории, и в категории муниципальные (то, что территории совпадают, людям, которые пользуются категорией ведь совершенно неочевидно). При этом важно помнить, что город — это населённый пункт, а административно-территориальная единица (АТЕ) — это city of federal subject significance (конкретная терминология для каждого субъекта разная). Тот же Владивосток является населённым пунктом, входящим в состав города краевого подчинения Владивосток наряду с пятью сельскими населёнными пунктами. А уже на территории города краевого подчинения Владивосток (статус у которого такой же, как и у районов) создано муниципальное образование Владивостокский городской округ (которое опять-таки включает населённые пункты город Владивосток, четыре посёлка и одно село). Или на примере Фрязино:

• Fryazino→Category:Cities and towns in Moscow Oblast
• Fryazino Town Under Oblast Jurisdiction (АТЕ город областного подчинения Фрязино), включающий помимо собственно города Фрязино ещё и деревню Чижово→информация об АТЕ включена в статью о городе (в этой секции); отдельной категории для АТЕ не существует (можно сделать, хотя не уверен, надо ли это).
• Fryazino Urban Okrug (муниципальное образование территория котогоро совпадает с территорией АТЕ город областного подчинения Фрязино)→редирект в Category:Urban okrugs of Moscow Oblast.

Хотелось бы, конечно, чтобы вся эта система была попроще, но не судьба :) Поэтому плодим редиректы в надежде, что хоть как-то всю эту муть можно было прояснить для несведущего читателя.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 14, 2012; 20:24 (UTC)

Многие вещи уже давно есть в OpenStreetMap, хотя бы наглядно можно увидеть разницу в площади объектов, которые путают. Надо более активно связывать проекты и чтобы как-нибудь по запросу выстраивалась вся структура в наглядном виде.

Понятно, что всё временно, но насколько корректно делать редирект Balashikha Urban Okrug → Balashikha? Разве это не примерно так же как редирект с Австралии сразу на Канберру? Может всё-таки есть смысл в категории, а "Balashikha Urban Okrug" будет перенаправлять на список муниципальных образований области и там будут описаны все включённые населённые пункты, а то это как в статье Москва рассказывать о Чукотке.

А захламление не всегда будет. Например, в Москве у района был "Статус: район / муниципальное образование", а категория - "Районы Москвы", которая заменяет административную и муниципальную категории, но это в Москве и до 2012 года. Теперь в Москве три типа муниципальных образований - муниципальные округа, городские округа и поселения. Но понятие "Поселения Москвы" опять означает и муниципальный, и административный статус. То есть всё прилично и ясно. Так может и в Московской области сказать, что Fryazino Town Under Oblast Jurisdiction и Fryazino Urban Okrug - это одно и то же, только из разных властных миров, и включить и в административные, и в муниципальные категории? То есть "Статус: город областного подчинения / городской округ", а статья будет одна. Только вот как же её назвать. Районное деление, как и военные округа РФ, и эти непонятные федеральные округа РФ, можно, наверное, менять одним указом. А где-то говорили, что границы муниципальных образований можно менять только на референдуме, поэтому их передавали в состав Москвы только целиком. --TarzanASG (talk) 21:31, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Вот, есть карта административных границ из OSM. Получается, что указание "Городской округ Балашиха" терминологически неправильно? --TarzanASG (talk) 21:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Когда границы АТЕ и муниципального образования совпадают, то с точки зрения картографии в приниципе всё равно, как эту территорию называть (но даже и в этом случае использовать термин "административные границы" и "городской округ" в одном предложении я бы не советовал). Другое дело, что они не всегда совпадают :) В энциклопедических статьях же об АТЕ и мун. единицах (или эти единицы упоминающие) термины эти смешивать ни в коем случае нельзя. Термины административно-территориального устройства Московской области определены в Законе "Об административно-территориальном устройстве Московской области"; термины же, относящиеся к муниципальным образованиям, определены в законодательстве Московской области в соответствии с федеральным законом №131-ФЗ.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 14, 2012; 21:53 (UTC)

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• These are notable pages. I have already created backlinks. --TarzanASG (talk) 06:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi. Because Dzhokhar/Djohar/Jahar/Jokhar/Joker?/Dzhorkhar is given name of numbers of persons, including Dzhokhar Dudayev, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Karan Johar. See also Russian article about that Perso-Arabic given name. --TarzanASG (talk) 07:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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Moving the page caused the pages for elections before the party's rename to display incorrect information. I tried fixing this, however User:Dusti reverted it and he requested your opinion. 24.121.215.171 (talk) 04:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. "A Just Russia: Motherland/Pensioners/Life" was renamed to "A Just Russia" in 2009. "Unity and Fatherland - United Russia" was renamed to "United Russia" in 2003. --TarzanASG (talk) 08:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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The map legend may need correction, but as you had it the two colors meant the same thing, so I reverted. Don't know what the best wording would be. — kwami (talk) 08:33, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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We already have the Otkritie FC Bank article which is not very large and covers the whole financial group, why do we need a separate stubby article just for the bank?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 16:19, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

• This bank is not Otkritie Holding, a financial group. I wrote Otkritie (disambiguation). Do you speak Russian? Can you read Russian-language sources? --TarzanASG (talk) 17:18, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Let's continue the discussion on Talk:Otkrytiye (bank, 1992-2014).--eh bien mon prince (talk) 17:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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The historical development of Russia's society, politics, and economy, as well as its population and territory, influence its international rankings. The Russian economy ranks among the largest in the world, relying chiefly upon its abundant natural resources. Its mineral and energy sources are the world's largest, and its figures for oil production and natural gas production rank high globally. Russia ranks high in international measurements of standard of living, disposable income and education; having a comparatively high per capita income, universal healthcare and a free university education. Russia is classified as an emerging market, and is a part of the E7 and EAGLEs economies. It has steadily increased development aid and debt forgiveness to developing countries. Russia is considered a part of the Global North, and was classified as a high-income economy during 2012 to 2014. However, it ranks low in measurements of human rights and freedom of the press; the country also has high levels of perceived corruption. Calesti (talk) 21:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC) 7

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Quotations and facts are not copyrightable. Only a quite creative text can be copyrightable. I have used simple text that is below the threshold of originality. I think you weren't attentive enough. _ruASG⁺¹  15:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

It wasn't a quotation; there were no quotation marks, and the amount of copying is beyond the threshold of what's acceptable on Wikipedia. Here is a link to the report at CopyPatrol. Click on the iThenticate link to view what was found by the detection service. — Diannaa (talk) 00:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Copyright issue

Hello RuASG, I removed some content you added to World Bank high-income economy as it was too close to the source. You can see the report the led to this here. I see above you say "Only a quite creative text can be copyrightable. I have used simple text that is below the threshold of originality", while this is the case with some of what you added in the second paragraph, most sentences in the first paragraph fall under "creative content". Please don't copy content like this into Wikipedia again, if you continue to do so you'll be blocked. Let me know if you have any questions. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 16:04, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

• Larry Lessig was worried about such a mechanical attitude to copyright. I don't consider 2-3 very simple sentences about facts to be copyrightable. CopyPatrol is an incorrect tool in this case. We shouldn't rely on such mechanical detection. We must use common sense. By the way, 2012 report is CC-BY-licensed but the sentence "Of 101 middle-income economies in 1960, only 13 became high income by 2008—Equatorial Guinea; Greece; Hong Kong SAR, China; Ireland; Israel; Japan; Mauritius; Portugal; Puerto Rico; Republic of Korea; Singapore; Spain; and Taiwan, China" is still not creative enough to be copyrightable and to use CC license. The sentence "But for the purposes of the “China 2030” chart, the bank adopted a more stringent definition: middle-income countries have a gdp per person, at purchasing-power parity, of between roughly 5% and 43% of America’s" is also not creative enough to be a copyrightable. Simple sentences, quotes (I left a link, but I know it's not enough), facts, lists and ideas are not copyrightable. None of this is copyright infringement. _ruASG⁺¹  17:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

  I think you are confusing the copyright of facts vs. the presentation of facts. You are right on the first sentence, I only removed it because it didn't make sense when the surrounding text was removed. You are incorrect on the second one, which reads more like an expert from an editorial or a news report than encyclopedia writing. You could rephrase it to something like "The bank changed its definition for the China 2030 chart, with The Economist describing it as, "middle-income countries have a gdp per person, at purchasing-power parity, of between roughly 5% and 43% of America’s."

  Or, if the World Bank has documentation of the change and it's under a CC license, you could copy that content in as long as you attribute it properly. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 19:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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Visa policy of Armenia

You need to do better at reading and understanding WP:ES and take the time to review edits rather than make assumptions. I left your last edit in tact at Visa policy of Armenia. The only thing I removed is the excessive sources. One source is enough, you do not need to provide 14 per WP:CITEKILL. Please WP:COOL down, read edit summaries, review reverts, don't make assumptions, follow wiki policies, and avoid WP:EW's. Archives908 (talk) 01:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Yes, that's right. You need to follow this Help:Reverting: "Consider what you object to, and what the editor was attempting. Can you improve the edit, bringing progress, rather than reverting it? Can you revert only part of the edit, or do you need to revert the whole thing?". _ruASG⁺¹  02:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

YOU need to follow WP:RS. Always provide sources when you add content. Archives908 (talk) 02:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, sources are cited in the article itself. It's the same in other articles. You can help improve the article and help me do the same, use Template:Better source needed or similar. _ruASG⁺¹  15:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I totally agree with Archives908. Rsk6400 (talk) 14:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

The official website is a reliable source of information about themselves. I follow this: "Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves". The main body of the organization (CIS Executive Committee) publishes on its website what countries are members of the organization and what agreements they have concluded. The International Monetary Fund, the World Trade Organization, the World Bank and Kommersant newspaper are reliable secondary sources. You could help improve the article and not stand in the way of adding sources. Next time, use templates and specify what exactly you don't like, but do not engage in destructive activities and don't revert edits. A depository of treaties under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties is not a "dubious primary source" and it doesn't deserve a revert. _ruASG⁺¹  15:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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Succession, continuity and legacy of the Soviet Union

Hi, have you tried finding articles where a link to this article could be added? I have noticed that this article has been an orphan since it was created. Mellk (talk) 20:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I left the link here: Talk:Soviet_Union#Successor?. Of course, it is needed to add links in the articles Soviet Union, History of the Soviet Union, Republics of the USSR, RSFSR, History of the RSFSR and others, but now, I think, it is too early. Do you speak Russian? =)) _ruASG⁺¹  20:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I speak Russian. It may be possible to add such links on articles more focused on international law, e.g. succession of states. Mellk (talk) 12:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Ну прекрасно, что говорите. Да, я видел эту статью. Прежде чем туда добавлять, я думаю, надо больше объяснить разницу между продолжательством и правопреемством. У меня найдены источники, которые называют это диаметрально противоположными концепциями, а другие называют похожими вещами. В версии конституции России от 2020 года вообще всё смешали в кучу. Опять несколько мнений. _ruASG⁺¹  13:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Понятно. Если статья не готова, то не стоит ставить в других статьях ссылки на нее. Mellk (talk) 18:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Конечно, не готова. Если тема вам интересна, то вы, разумеется, можете править смело и даже гораздо смелее, чем обычно. Я же не должен сам всю Википедию наполнять. =)) Я вам по-русски и разъясню, если будут какие-то замечания от меня. Но вряд ли будут. _ruASG⁺¹  18:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Вы можете создать черновик статьи. Возможно, позже я изучу эту тему подробнее. Mellk (talk) 14:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Википедии позволено быть несовершенной и красные ссылки явно разрешены. Черновик не нужен. Пусть все участники дорабатывают. _ruASG⁺¹  14:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia#Succession, continuity and legacy of the Soviet Union. Mellk (talk) 15:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

If you really mean "Пусть все участники дорабатывают", then you have to add links to it in other articles, otherwise nobody will see it. I did add a couple. --Altenmann >talk 20:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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